Home Defence Discussion

[IamJEEP]

As the title states, lets discuss opinions on what is the best "Home Defence" weapon. Some say shotguns, some say pistols, some say rifles. So lets here what you think and why.........

[IamJEEP]

What do you guys know about this bad boy?

Saiga 410 Shotgun (semi-auto)

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/08/SAIGA_410Shotgun-1.jpg

[cico7]

What do you guys know about this bad boy?

Saiga 410 Shotgun (semi-auto)

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/08/SAIGA_410Shotgun-1.jpg
i'd like to have one...that is what i know...

[Sal-XK]

Shot guns are good because you're most likely to hit the target while shacking like a leaf LOL there kill or wound area is wide and when you miss your neighbor across the street won't get hit by a stray bullet. There a little long though so maybe a pistol grip to help shorten it up. Shotgun also having the longer barrel makes it easier to hit things at night as well If you go with a pistol you can get ammo that's designed to become useless after it hits the first thing in its path instead of going threw the burglar then the wall and who knows from there. A rifle not sure who thinks that's the best way to go as long as we are talking inside a house, maybe defending against a zombie attack the rifle would work LOL. A revolver would also help with the night time shooting longer barrel a little heavier helps steady things up a lot more accurate I know there not cool but they do get the job done with great efficiency and accuracy and loads of stopping power.

[LWM]

I say shotgun for two simple reasons... They stop the bad guy AND keep the bullet in your house so no innocent person is injured or killed by a loose round.

[CmmdrDan]

I say shotgun for two simple reasons... They stop the bad guy AND keep the bullet in your house so no innocent person is injured or killed by a loose round.

Never understood people who thought a pistol was the best bet. Shotgun is the way to go. A pump action would be best. Everyone knows that sound of racking a round. That itself can make the bad guy change their mind..

[IamJEEP]

My vote is shotgun because of the previously said reasons. I agree with Dan, if you hear the rack of the pump and stick around to find out what that noise was......you are an idiot. Altho, on either a shotgun or pistol i would use a flashlight attachment. This way you can make sure you are shooting in the right directio and at the intruder. ...not your loved ones.

[CmmdrDan]

Good point on the flash light. Thats one thing I always worried about at my old house. My parents room was at the top of the stairs. And well my dad always had a pistol under the matress. How would he know it was me when I got home late. What if he blew me away..damn..thats intense..haha

[NeilSmith]

i wouldnt be racking no shotgun, its already loaded and ready to go. :) too much hollywood in " racking a shotgun " or the slide on a pistol.

[CmmdrDan]

i wouldnt be racking no shotgun, its already loaded and ready to go. :) too much hollywood in " racking a shotgun " or the slide on a pistol.

Very true. But I would rather try to get them out of the house before shooting them out..

[Sal-XK]

A flash light will also give your position away making it loads easier to shoot you and also I can tell were you're looking because you will starring where ever the light is pointed. Racking the shotgun yes it is a unmistakable sound and will send most people running but so will you announcing you have a gun. The reason I think leaving chamber empty so you can rack it is a good idea because that pause it takes you to rack it is time for you to think and avoid mistakes. Lets face it most people breaking in your house think its empty and will split when you start moving. The home invaders will take a little more convincing to leave like starring down the barrel of a tricked out shotgun :)

[cico7]

A flash light will also give your position away making it loads easier to shoot you and also I can tell were you're looking because you will starring where ever the light is pointed.
And kills your night vision...


Long ago and far away, I too had a shotgun for home defence. One night I was awaken by the sound of someone coming in the front door.
I had a double barrel with a 16" barrel and bird shot. I braced myself against the corner of the door frame, barrel pointed down the hall
waiting to see what was going to happen next.

A light popped on in the living room.....don't know this for cerrtain, but I don't think too many burglars turn on room lights when they enter.

A friend of mine starts walking down the hall, stops and see me, with my sawed off doublebarrel shotgun in hand, pointed at him.
He freaked.....

Several years later, we were to go hunting on a Saturday morning and he came to my place about 2 in the morning.....He opened the door, and yelled hey pirtle it's me.
He reminded me of our earlier excitement, saying he knows better than to just walk in 'cause he has shotguns!

[IamJEEP]

A flash light will also give your position away making it loads easier to shoot you and also I can tell were you're looking because you will starring where ever the light is pointed. Racking the shotgun yes it is a unmistakable sound and will send most people running but so will you announcing you have a gun. The reason I think leaving chamber empty so you can rack it is a good idea because that pause it takes you to rack it is time for you to think and avoid mistakes. Lets face it most people breaking in your house think its empty and will split when you start moving. The home invaders will take a little more convincing to leave like starring down the barrel of a tricked out shotgun :)

This is true, but I would rather have the light and not shoot at shadows. I don't know about your house, but one quick sweep of the light will show my whole room quickly.

Can you get a "wide angle" light? Something that lights up more area.

I'd rather not chamber a round till I'm completely sure I heard an intruder, but that's just me.

[IamJEEP]

And kills your night vision...!

You sleep with night vision goggles? LOL..

[IamJEEP]

. The reason I think leaving chamber empty so you can rack it is a good idea because that pause it takes you to rack it is time for you to think and avoid mistakes. :)

Very good point, I totally agree with this statement.

[CmmdrDan]

They make police flashlights..Well i guess they are just flashlights..but they are a dual click. First click is just a standard beam. Second click is a strobe that will blind and confuse the bad guy.

[LWM]

As a LEO I can tell you that we do NOT enter a home or search an area with our lights on, we use them just to help us know where we are and identify subjects, if you use a light (and I suggest you don't) they you need one with a push button that you can turn on and off quickly and then move immediately after you have used your light so the bad guy does not know where you are.

[cico7]

Can you get a "wide angle" light? Something that lights up more area.
yeah, we call that interior lighting, don't know what the people south of the (Ohio) border call it.

[cico7]

You sleep with night vision goggles? LOL..
you never know who is trying to slip in at night......so yeah....

[Sal-XK]

If you need light which I still feel is advantage bad guy just turn the lights on. He's coming in from the outside street lights and headlights have his eyes in that middle ground another reason having your outside house lights on are good one more thing to kill his night vision. He is also entering an unfamiliar place as well. You are just waking up so your night vision should be good for what ever light is coming into your house which is advantage towards you plus you knowing the layout is another advantage to you. You know where he is by sound and can stalk a corner or intersections where he must come past based on his location advantage you again. Look we don't call the first person threw the door the dead man spot for nothing. I feel using lights takes most of those advantages away from you. The last time my alarm went off the first thing I did was get count of my family. Hit the wife check she's there kicked in my daughters room check she's there and still sleeping LOL My sons room not there ok pause situation changes kids under 3' tall no barrel exposure below my shoulders check. This all took about 4 seconds to accomplish about the amount of time a intruder needed to recover from the alarm making him deaf then give him another second or two to decide if he is leaving or continuing on at which point I'm ready for him. Weapon on safe finger off trigger that gives you time to think about what you're doing. That second it takes to flip the safety and transition to the trigger allows you to soak in your sight picture and make a good shooting decision.

[cico7]

.. The last time my alarm went off the first thing I did was get count of my family. Hit the wife check she's there kicked in my daughters room check she's there and still sleeping LOL My sons room not there ok pause situation changes kids under 3' tall no barrel exposure below my shoulders check... Ok so what happend?
This is excellent info, thank you....

[Sal-XK]

Ok so what happend?
This is excellent info, thank you....

My bad little bugger woke up and went in the garage looking for me. Found him balling his eyes out by the door. Oh and my daughter never woke up and my alarm is so loud you litterly can't her your self scream it vibrates your hole body LOL

[IamJEEP]

Lol, she sleeps like a log! You could probably steal the bed from under her. I knew a guy like that, you could paint his whole face with a sharpie and he would not wake up at all. Lol....good times.

[IamJEEP]

Ok so what happend?
This is excellent info, thank you....

Yes it is, this is the reason i started this thread. I am open minded and respect everyobes opinion. I'm starting not tolike the flashlight idea. So, keep them opinions coming.

[Sal-XK]

I know police use flash lights and I get it. They are also trained to use those lights properly with multiple other cops using them all together. There also not defending territory while doing it either you are the situations are different and bad guys usually run from cops if there still in your house at this point bro there not running so just kill them. Take advantage of all the things on your side giving you an edge that I stated and I'm pretty sure you will turn out on top. FYI my alarm being as loud as it is takes another sense from the bad guy that I don't need and can do with out and thats hearing. Neither of us could here a gun go off in my house when that thing is on but I'm probably the only one that use to operating and thinking clearly in that type of environment. So who comes in will have a sight and hearing disadvantage plus a knowledge of the layout disadvantage like I said just keep staking the deck in your favor so god for bid that day ever comes the chances that you're the one walking away is high. Also please rehearse what you will do if someone comes in your house. This will shave seconds of your response as well as calm you down a little if it does happen.Go over once in your head as you lay down for bed as well. You will be surprised if you tell your self what to do just before you fall a sleep that you will actually do it subconsciously if it happens. I have to kinda of do the opposite and tell my mind to ignore certain things so I can sleep at night with out sleeping pills.

[pjmjr508]

all the information in here is very good & keep it coming.

[IamJEEP]

I know police use flash lights and I get it. They are also trained to use those lights properly with multiple other cops using them all together. There also not defending territory while doing it either you are the situations are different and bad guys usually run from cops if there still in your house at this point bro there not running so just kill them. Take advantage of all the things on your side giving you an edge that I stated and I'm pretty sure you will turn out on top. FYI my alarm being as loud as it is takes another sense from the bad guy that I don't need and can do with out and thats hearing. Neither of us could here a gun go off in my house when that thing is on but I'm probably the only one that use to operating and thinking clearly in that type of environment. So who comes in will have a sight and hearing disadvantage plus a knowledge of the layout disadvantage like I said just keep staking the deck in your favor so god for bid that day ever comes the chances that you're the one walking away is high. Also please rehearse what you will do if someone comes in your house. This will shave seconds of your response as well as calm you down a little if it does happen.Go over once in your head as you lay down for bed as well. You will be surprised if you tell your self what to do just before you fall a sleep that you will actually do it subconsciously if it happens. I have to kinda of do the opposite and tell my mind to ignore certain things so I can sleep at night with out sleeping pills.

Very well put, thanks for sharing.

I watch a video on how to sweep your house with a shotgun, great information.

[cico7]

Caleb, share the vid...if it is a link.
SAL, when my alarm went off, i went to shut
it off, not sweeping the house for intruders.
i bet a lot of people are like this, or dont think
clearly enough to hide and lock the door.

Without knowledge and forethought, youre
in deep ****. Imo...

[LWM]

We also have places in our home where we know to go in the case of a home invasion, these are the hardest places for the bad guy to get too and the easiest place to get out when you get a chance.

[NeilSmith]

Heres a recent one :
We have been having a rash of door bell rings at night this summer. You answer the door and nobody there. So last Monday was at the shop late installing my antenna mount and got home a 8:45. As I pulled onto our street my phone rang, it was my wife. She wanted to know where I was at, someone had just rang the door and wouldnt answer her so my wife was going to call the cops but called me instead. Well there just happened to be a group of teens walking away from the house a bit. So I pulled up to them :
Me : Hey guys, yall wouldnt happen to be ringing doorbells and running off would you ?
Them : No ! We were just coming from my house. ( a lie, they dont live on our street )
Me: WEll let me tell you guys a story. It happened last week at midnight and scared my wife. She woke me and I went to the door with a pistol in my hand. If you guys hear who is doing this, tell them it aint cool. Some bad things can happen when you trespass on someone's property in the middle of the night.
Them : Ok, no problem.
Now you have to understand my neighborhood. Its a gated community with 4500 homes, middle -middle upper class. These kids have anything they want and theyre still bored and getting in trouble. If they are brave enough to come on your porch at midnight it would be nothing to reach in your car and grab your ipod or gps. Hopefully I scared them enough that they at least wont ring my bell anymore. :)

[Matt]

Me and my friend had a long discussion about this recently... he's in a division of Special Ops and also swears by the shot gun for basically all of the reasons mentioned in this thread (even the "sound" of the shotgun).

However, for how my house is set up and with kids, my choice is a handgun. It's a bit hard to explain but because of how my house is setup, if someone's breaking in (and im not home) my wife (who happens to be a great shot btw) knows the drill is to get the kids in my sons room at the end of the hallway, close and lock the door and dial 911. If someone comes up to the door, announce that she had a weapon and that police are on the way (FYI we're 2 miles from the police station and 1/4 mile from a fire station). If they're dumb enough to try coming though that door..... they're done. She can hit an index card with a .45 with ease from 15' away, she's not going to miss someone coming through a door from 8' away. Reason for the pistol is I want something that my wife can handle with one hand if needed (say to keep the kids at bay and cover their eyes/ears). It's also easier for us to conceal in a small locked case.

[Matt]

To add to that, i think one of the most important aspects of choosing a home defense weapon is simply choosing a weapon that you're comfortable and skilled with using. In other words, don't buy a gun of any kind for home defense and never use it.... go to the range once in a while and make sure you're familiar with it. If it sits for 6 years collecting dust and "that night" comes, you don't need the added stress of not remembering how to load it, where the safety is, the feel of the trigger, etc. In that case, you're better off throwing frying pans down the hallway (hey... they can hurt!)

[Tymac]

I sleep so darn hard I could be robbed and the robber could be eating Dorito's next to me in bed watching sportscenter while drinking my beer. They only reason I'd wake up is because I had to take a leak. Weird how pee dreams wake you up just in time.

So that's why I use Claymores, but there again it'll be the police shaking me awake to ask WTF happened.

All joking aside for average joe get a good old fashioned scattergun as my grand pappy would say. I prefer pistol. I train with it, know where it will hit just by pointing it and I don't want to find flesh a month later in my hallway light or somewhere else I forgot to look. Yuck!

Putting up motion lights and an alarm company's sign in your yard will work 89% of the time. Leave no entry point in the dark.

[Tymac]

To add to that, i think one of the most important aspects of choosing a home defense weapon is simply choosing a weapon that you're comfortable and skilled with using. In other words, don't buy a gun of any kind for home defense and never use it.... go to the range once in a while and make sure you're familiar with it. If it sits for 6 years collecting dust and "that night" comes, you don't need the added stress of not remembering how to load it, where the safety is, the feel of the trigger, etc. In that case, you're better off throwing frying pans down the hallway (hey... they can hurt!)

X2

[LWM]

Putting up motion lights and an alarm company's sign in your yard will work 89% of the time. Leave no entry point in the dark.

Another VERY good suggestion, Years ago we installed an alarm in the house but nobody ever used it and the monthly fee was too much. We stopped using the system years ago but still have the sign in the front yard and stickers on key windows (burglars will hit a house without the sign before they hit yours). You can purchase the signs in the internet.

[Matt]

I've been procrastinating..... I need to order some signs/stickers and put up a few motion lights.

[LWM]

I've been procrastinating..... I need to order some signs/stickers and put up a few motion lights.

No better time then the present!

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-HOME-SECURITY-SYSTEM-ALARM-YARD-SIGN-6-FREE-DECALS-/390336276469?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ae1dae7f5

[pjmjr508]

I need to as well, where I live the back of the house butts up against natural preserve and so no lights back there and need to put some motion lights up. (I rent so I don't want to put to much on the house) Safty trumps everything else so I will need to do someting.

[CoreyZ]

Im all for pistols when it comes to my home invasion deterrence. Shotguns work for some people, but I find that the damage they cause with misses ends up costing more to the average home owner than simply yelling "ive got a gun and you best gtfo as the cops are on the way". Pistols while you may miss the target more, they dont do a large area of damage and most intruders will be near high cost equipment and not in an area where there is just random home stuff. No one steals the picture of your grandma, but that 60" plasma is sure gonna catch their eye.
As for intruders looking to cause personal damage and not just rob... well... figure a shot from anything is going to put them on the defensive. Most likely they have a weapon on them for intimidation purposes if not real injury. Once you fire a shot, they will cover and either return fire or run like hell. Those are difficult encounters regardless... so make that first shot count. I tend to prep myself on occasion as much as possible. Multiple times a week I will wait till its dark as hell and with all the normal lights off, I will navigate my home and work on my night vision and navigation. Being as stealthy as possible as well as tactical in my "room clearing" and knowing every nook and cranny as well as creaky boards. I also do this with alarm clocks that will wake me in the night and I do this exercise. My wife hates it, but she understands and supports it. She also knows that if I ever jump out of bed, hit the combo on my bedside gun safe... that she immediately grabs her phone and dials 911 and waits to hit "call" till i give her the signal.

Most robbing intruders will have some sort of light with them, so their night vision will not be that great. Use it to your advantage. Recon your targets, strategize your approach, breathe, engage.

Little story...

My wife and I just bought our first home. We literally moved in on July 1st. As we were moving in, we had the security screen door closed but the front door open. Our neighborhood is one of those where no soliciting of any kind is allowed, which is great. But we heard some voices on the front porch. We walked down and a guy was standing there with a clipboard. He started up on his speech about being a "second chance" person and I told him whatever he was selling, I was not interested. He did not take No for an answer and tried showing he was telling the truth by displaying a ripped and broken ID that wasnt up long enough to even verify it was him. I explained once more that he needed to leave and he pressured more stating that he wasnt selling anything but needed me to sign a sheet and look at some magazine info. I told him he needed to leave immediately to which he replied that he "knew why" I was telling him no and implying it was the color of his skin and not what he was selling. I told him to hold on for a brief moment, walked over to a box I was unpacking that had my gun cleaning supplies in it... and withdrew my extra NRA sticker. I opened the door and told him to back off my porch, to which he did with puzzled eyes.... and I slapped the sticker on the front window right next to my front door. I then turned and looked at him and asked him politely "Do we have any problems now?". He turned with his friend and walked away. I surveiled and saw the car they drive into the area in, wrote down the identifiers and went on with my business. Have not had a problem since.
I saw a quote one time where a gentleman who was an avid gun owner and enthusiast had a conversation with his neighbor who was very anti-gun. The neighbor made it his business to complain constantly to anyone that would listen to him about how the gun owner was bad for the neighborhood and that by owning a gun, you give power to an intruder as they can take it and slaughter the owners family with them.

The gun owner told the neighbor it would never happen.... then proceeded to place a sign in his front yard that simple said:
"The owner of this house is well armed and trained... My neighbor on the other hand is against weapons of any kind and has a nice TV --->"



Also... I am for pistols simply because it is only myself and my wife in the house and using a 9mm, the penetrating force wont injure people in adjacent homes. I worried more about that in the apartments and my wife is always in the safest location in the house.

[brendon]

9mm (or just about any decent defensive handgun round) can and will overpenetrate a typical modern construction home. Check out http://www.theboxotruth.com/

To the original post - absolutely no way on the rifle. Those could shoot clear through into the neighbor's house even after hitting the inteded target.

That being said, I keep my 1911 ready to go. It's easier to keep secure yet ready to use. My wife got me an 870 tactical shotgun for my birthday which I would like to be my main house gun, but I am not confortable just putting it under the bed with kids in the house. My kids (7 and 4) both know the rules about guns but I can't necessarily trust any of their friends not to touch it if they found it.

As for preventive measures, I don't have an alarm, but I do have a noisy, black, 110lb lab/rotty/newfie mix. She barks before anyone even has a chance to ring the bell. My friends know this and therefore do not ring, they just weight for me to answer. When the doorbell does ring, I know it's a stranger. Also, the dog leaving her half eaten cattle thigh bone outside the backdoor is probably a good deterrent for anyone approaching from the rear.

[IamJEEP]

The gun owner told the neighbor it would never happen.... then proceeded to place a sign in his front yard that simple said:
"The owner of this house is well armed and trained... My neighbor on the other hand is against weapons of any kind and has a nice TV --->"

LMCAO.......



As for preventive measures, I don't have an alarm, but I do have a noisy, black, 110lb lab/rotty/newfie mix. She barks before anyone even has a chance to ring the bell. My friends know this and therefore do not ring, they just weight for me to answer. When the doorbell does ring, I know it's a stranger. Also, the dog leaving her half eaten cattle thigh bone outside the backdoor is probably a good deterrent for anyone approaching from the rear.
Sounds just like my uncle's house, the dog will start barking as soon as you pull into the driveway. They also have a Rotty/ Lab mix that is trained to attack in German. My cousin braught her back as a pup from his first tour in Iraq.

[AJeepZJ]

I think you guys are definitely taking the right steps to ensure ur kids don't get a hold of firearms. It has always been my primary concern, and it is one of the few reasons why I don't own a gun. My grandfather took advantage of my quick reflexes when I was in HS and enrolled me in a number of self-defense and hand-to-hand combat courses. Mostly mixed martial arts. But most of what I know is only defensive counter attacks. When I was at Duke for a couple semesters, a guy pretty much taught me everything I know about shooting a bow and arrow. When I got back to Raleigh, I bought a compound bow - and kept up with my targeting.

aj

[CmmdrDan]

I think you guys are definitely taking the right steps to ensure ur kids don't get a hold of firearms. It has always been my primary concern, and it is one of the few reasons why I don't own a gun. My grandfather took advantage of my quick reflexes when I was in HS and enrolled me in a number of self-defense and hand-to-hand combat courses. Mostly mixed martial arts. But most of what I know is only defensive counter attacks. When I was at Duke for a couple semesters, a guy pretty much taught me everything I know about shooting a bow and arrow. When I got back to Raleigh, I bought a compound bow - and kept up with my targeting.

aj

Blah Blah Blah I'm a NERD!

haha just kidding a.j.

[AJeepZJ]

nothing nerdy about those things! The training for mix martial arts is agonizing. And I'd give props to anyone who can work a 60-75lb draw weight on a bow and hold it.

[CmmdrDan]

nothing nerdy about those things! The training for mix martial arts is agonizing. And I'd give props to anyone who can work a 60-75lb draw weight on a bow and hold it.

Napoleon Dynamite(A.j. Finley) : You know, like nunchuku skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills.

[AJeepZJ]

My ex girlfriend found my bow hunting skills VERY attractive.

[CmmdrDan]

My ex girlfriend found my bow hunting skills VERY attractive.

Awesome. Back on topic.

I want an AR so bad. But not for home defense..well eventually..Zombies..

[AJeepZJ]

Awesome. Back on topic.

I want an AR so bad. But not for home defense..well eventually..Zombies..

And I'm the nerd????????????????????

[CmmdrDan]

And I'm the nerd????????????????????

Yes.

Read this and you will understand (http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html)

[AJeepZJ]

Yes.

Read this and you will understand (http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html)

Yeah, ur a nerd.


Oh yeah... and stop derailing threads!!!

[CoreyZ]

Yeah, when I start building my AR.... gonna go with Noveske. A friend of mine has one and it cycles soooo smoothly. Says its easily one of the best rifles at competitions.


Oh, and the robot apocalypse is a more likely story. Zombie's just have no true method of existing, biologically speaking. Not that they cant be created... but that they cant last without some form of a higher thought process and some method of slowing/stopping the natural decaying of a dead body.

[Budasac]

My ex girlfriend found my bow hunting skills VERY attractive.


Just sayin';)

[CoreyZ]

Just sayin';)

Maybe she got tired of him asking her to put an apple on the top of her head for practice? lol

[brendon]

Yeah, when I start building my AR.... gonna go with Noveske. A friend of mine has one and it cycles soooo smoothly. Says its easily one of the best rifles at competitions.


Oh, and the robot apocalypse is a more likely story. Zombie's just have no true method of existing, biologically speaking. Not that they cant be created... but that they cant last without some form of a higher thought process and some method of slowing/stopping the natural decaying of a dead body.

You're assuming the zombies are walking dead in the traditional sense. I think more realistically, it will be a viral infection causing increased aggression combined with a loss of the higher reasoning/logic functions of the brain.

Better go to Zombie Armory and stock up on your Tactical Bacon before the zombie apocolypse... http://www.zombiearmory.com/category/1836-Consumables.aspx

[CoreyZ]

You're assuming the zombies are walking dead in the traditional sense. I think more realistically, it will be a viral infection causing increased aggression combined with a loss of the higher reasoning/logic functions of the brain.

Better go to Zombie Armory and stock up on your Tactical Bacon before the zombie apocolypse... http://www.zombiearmory.com/category/1836-Consumables.aspx

Hmm, never thought of it that way.... But at least that is more feasible, and if the virus is transmitted through blood... then the biting could be the transfer.

Scary that they are really looking into it... (yes this is a real person, real company but they dont list this department)
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[cico7]

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[CoreyZ]

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LOL

[IamJEEP]

LMCAO!!!!!!!! (<-----oh boy, I think I might get cico in trouble again......)

[cico7]

LMCAO!!!!!!!! (<-----oh boy, I think I might get cico in trouble again......)
Hey Look up LMCAO on Urban Dictionary and you will find it is published there over my name.
My name is the one spelled cico7 and my entry is not related to the "Cracker" entry. Caleb (the "C")
started this now all his CUBANISTIC friends can now feel more comfortable knowing thier collective
ass' have been recognized.

[cico7]

Having consulted with my colleagues and based on the information gathered from the nigerian chambers of commerce and industry, i have the privilege to request for your assistance to transfer the sum of $135.00 (one hundred thirty five united states dollars) into your accounts. The above sum resulted from an over-invoiced contract, executed commissioned and paid for about five years (5) ago by a foreign contractor. This action was however intentional and since then the fund has been in a suspense account at the central bank of nigeria apex bank.

We are now ready to transfer the fund overseas and that is where you come in. It is important to inform you that as civil servants, we are forbidden to operate a foreign account; that is why we require your assistance. The total sum will be shared as follows: 70% for us, 25% for you and 5% for local and international expenses incident to the transfer.

The transfer is risk free on both sides. I am an accountant with the nigerian national petroleum corporation (nnpc). If you find this proposal acceptable, we shall require the following documents:

(a) your banker's name, telephone, account and fax numbers.

(b) your private telephone and fax numbers -- for confidentiality and easy communication.

(c) your letter-headed paper stamped and signed.

Alternatively we will furnish you with the text of what to type into your letter-headed paper, along with a breakdown explaining, comprehensively what we require of you. The business will take us thirty (30) working days to accomplish.

Please reply urgently.

Best regards
I am absolutely appalled that you would drag the Nigerian Banking institution into such a fraudulent scam!
I am the SCAN SPAM master and I have been recognized by several member of the off topic committee as the
foremost SCAN SPAM detective. Now.... what was I talking about?

Oh yeah, the Nigerian Banking industry has been abused for many years and often ends up as the south end
of a north bound mule when scams such as above are developed. That being said, the above response to the
registration is false and I have absolutey no alliance with the organization.

You can trust that I am absolutely, positively, legit and I have been added to Angies List as a reliable source for
Zombie Schools you can trust. Registration number 35-21322144512344991043984500

[IamJEEP]

Lol, I think this thread has turned way off target!

[cico7]

what makes you say that?

Lol, I think this thread has turned way off target!

[CoreyZ]

Psssh... Angie's list was so... yesterday. Kudzu is the new hotness!

[CoreyZ]

You have just received a Taliban virus. Since we are not so technologically advanced in Afghanistan, this is a MANUAL virus. Please delete all of the files on your hard disk and send this virus to everyone you know.

[pjmjr508]

You have just received a Taliban virus. Since we are not so technologically advanced in Afghanistan, this is a MANUAL virus. Please delete all of the files on your hard disk and send this virus to everyone you know.


Nice LMAO

[NeilSmith]

I'm so out of the loop. WTF is going on ? LOL !!!!!! Here is my latest addition to my home defense. My brother got this Stevens 20g for christmas back in like 1982. He recently gave it to me. I sanded off some surface rust and re-blued the barrel and stripped and refinished the stock. I left the receiver as it was because it wasnt rusted and has a nice patina. I only get 1 shot though. :)
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/08/091-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/08/090-1.jpg

[Sal-XK]

There is no saving this thread now :p

[cico7]

you have just received a taliban virus. Since we are not so technologically advanced in afghanistan, this is a manual virus. Please delete all of the files on your hard disk and send this virus to everyone you know.

lolol lmsao!!!

[AJeepZJ]

lolol lmsao!!!

10 bucks the 's' stands for sexy :D


Oh... and Budasac! - She is my EX because I made it so.

[cico7]

10 bucks the 's' stands for sexy :D
Oh... and Budasac! - She is my EX because I made it so.
Saxon

[IamJEEP]

Saxon

Lol!!!!!

[IamJEEP]

You have just received a Taliban virus. Since we are not so technologically advanced in Afghanistan, this is a MANUAL virus. Please delete all of the files on your hard disk and send this virus to everyone you know.

Lol!!! Classic!

[IamJEEP]

There is no saving this thread now :p

Yeah bro, you aint kidding. Its all good tho, its very entertaining.

[Sal-XK]

some time entertaining is better then informative :p

[cico7]

Lol!!! Classic!


You have just received a Taliban virus. Since we are not so technologically advanced in Afghanistan, this is a MANUAL virus. Please delete all of the files on your hard disk and send this virus to everyone you know.hey coreyaliban, i tried to send this virus, but after i deleted all my files, I couldnt send the virus to anyone.
Can you help me?

[IamJEEP]

hey coreyaliban, i tried to send this virus, but after i deleted all my files, I couldnt send the virus to anyone.
Can you help me?

You were supposed to press control, alternate, explode before delete......duh!

[CoreyZ]

hey coreyaliban, i tried to send this virus, but after i deleted all my files, I couldnt send the virus to anyone.
Can you help me?

848

Boom

[CmmdrDan]

This forum brings the win. Each and every time!

[IamJEEP]

This forum brings the win. Each and every time!

You were told this was a better forum, now you see for yourself. ;)

[pjmjr508]

You guys have me dying today while I am at the office, by laughing so much; the people in my office thinks I'm nuts.

[jcoulter]

I hate to be the one to try to pull this thread back on topic but...

I recently wanted to find something for varmints around my place. Then it got me thinking about something for home defense as well. Unfortunately nothing fits both. So I was looking at a Gano air rifle for the varmints and a shotgun for the house, probably pump action. I'd consider a pistol but from what I've read and know about myself even with training if I was woke up by a burglar I would have a better chance of actually hitting them with the shotgun.

I haven't handled a gun in about 15 years and even then I was a kid shooting my uncles guns. He was cool. He had a great collection and a range at home with his own homemade targets.

[Sal-XK]

For the untrained or people without a steady hand or good eye sight the shotgun is perfect. The noise alone even if you miss will get people moving away form you.

[Matt]

Honestly... for someone who isn't going to use the gun once in a while (even a shotgun), I think you'd be better off with a .45 loaded with blanks. Someone breaks into your home and comes remotely close to you, scream at the top of your lungs "IM GONNA KILL YOU *******" and just start unloading those blanks. Bet ya the thief jumps through a window to get out of there...

[Chapman89]

A shotgun would be best for you. I picked up a gently used Mossberg 500 for a couple hundred bucks a while back. It's loaded with .00 Buckshot! My concealed carry weapon/ home defense pistol is a Glock 23 (.40 cal) with Trijicon night sights loaded with Golden Sabers.

My latest addition is a nickle plated Browning Buckmark .22 with hogue grips and night sights. Its perfect for Water Moccasins.

Next purchase will definitely be small .38 revolver and I'll begin building an AR-15 of some sort.

[IamJEEP]

Here is a vid I found, if you have something similar or better please post...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy2VfUABMLs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And another....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJdvdiTrquI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Sal-XK]

This is how I clear a room LMAO I'm the one with the shotgun by the way.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UddlKjqbELU

[IamJEEP]

So what you are saying is, you send your wife to check out the noise? Lol....

[NeilSmith]

You didnt even take your candy ass inside ! LOL !!! I love it. ( jk of course )

[Sal-XK]

So what you are saying is, you send your wife to check out the noise? Lol....



You didnt even take your candy ass inside ! LOL !!! I love it. ( jk of course )

He was my A team leader and that's his job first threw the door I was playing breach man just felt like shooting a little it was a slow day. I did my time being first way to many time I'm usually controlling two teams of guys clearing buildings and rooms. :cool:

[NeilSmith]

first man thru would be one stressful job, i bet. really takes some balls to do that.

[cico7]

first man thru would be one stressful job, i bet. really takes some balls to do that.
The vertical coffin?

[CoreyZ]

Nice Sal! And thanks for your service... much respect!

[pjmjr508]

Nice Sal! And thanks for your service... much respect!

x2 and this goes to all of members of the Armed Forces PAST & PRESENT

[The_War_Wagon]

As the title states, lets discuss opinions on what is the best "Home Defence" weapon. Some say shotguns, some say pistols, some say rifles. So lets here what you think and why.........

In an apartment, I might go with a shotgun - with #4 buckshot as a good manstopper, that still won't 'overpenetrate' modern particleboard wall construction. Shotguns really are the most unwieldy of weapons though, and I'd probably still default to a pistol were I surprised by a bump in the night. If I know the urban zombie/golden horde were definitely coming TO-NIGHT... then I'd have the shotgun at the ready.

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/11/sling-1.jpg

In my three story house with a full basement, I go this route.

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Upper was custom made by Addax, Inc, out of Los Angeles. 14.5" Sabre bbl with pinned/welded Phantom comp for legal length. 1:7 twist, chrome-lined bbl set in a Vltor MUR 1A upper. BCM lower has a Giselle SSA trigger. Insight Proxima HX120 sheds more light on the matter, for the Aimpoint T-1 to focus on. 69gr. Privi JHP's git 'r' done. If the urban zombies/golden horde comes down MY street, that's how I'll greet 'em.

I still tend to default to a 1911 for regular carry and home patrol work, though...

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/11/1911s-1.jpg

[pjmjr508]

Very Nice

[jantrit]

i wouldnt be racking no shotgun, its already loaded and ready to go. :) too much hollywood in " racking a shotgun " or the slide on a pistol.

I would argue that racking a shotgun is one of the most recognizable sounds in the world. Its the universal, language barrier be damned, sound for "Sh*t just got real!"

The sound of a pistol slide loading a round....meh.

[The_War_Wagon]

I would argue that racking a shotgun is one of the most recognizable sounds in the world. Its the universal, language barrier be damned, sound for "Sh*t just got real!"

The sound of a pistol slide loading a round....meh.

I don't WANT my enemies/home invaders to hear me, and the soft little *click,* of the safety coming off my loaded weapon... 1141

[XK N00b]

My Sig stays real close, loaded and chambered. I have to agree with jantrit though, there's absolutely no mistaking a pump action shotgun chambering a round, a very clear message to an intruder... game over.