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Discount Tire
08-26-2011, 08:24 AM
Video of the Scratch guards in use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMmG8VDUkTk&feature=plcp&context=C46432ceVDvjVQa1PpcFNfR-WWxpFFgfPgqqkutgZRf0Yhq9CU1cA%3D

Anyone here running a set of Level 8 wheels yet? I installed a set of Level 8 ZX wheels on my LJ and I couldn't be happier. They are 17x9 with a 4.5"BS. The valve is located behind a lip flange and there is a bolt on scratch guard to protect the wheel while on the trail. Here's a few pics. I would love to see a set of these on a XK! Who's going to be the first? Post some pics if you have them.

Shown with optional Bolt on Scratch guard.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/08/ZX_TJ_BK-1.jpg

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/08/ZX_TJ4-1.jpg

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/08/ZX_TJ5-1.jpg

Valve located behind Wheel lip flange
https://theultimatejeep.com/notfound.png

ZX on a JK, show without optional bolt on scratch guard:
https://theultimatejeep.com/notfound.png
https://theultimatejeep.com/notfound.png

AJeepZJ
08-26-2011, 08:31 AM
That looks real nice. Do you guys have any deals running for 265/75/16's MT's or an agressive A/T

Discount Tire
08-26-2011, 08:34 AM
^ Here's a link to the tires in this size. There is a $30.00 mail in rebate (Visa Card) with the purchase of any 4 tires using your CarCareONE card.

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/searchTiresBySize.do?sw=false&cs=265&ar=75&rd=16

I heard there may be some special sales labor day weekend but I can't guarantee anything. Give us a call if we can help you with your purchase we would love to earn your business. Shipping is FREE.

AJeepZJ
08-26-2011, 08:42 AM
^ Here's a link to the tires in this size. There is a $30.00 mail in rebate (Visa Card) with the purchase of any 4 tires using your CarCareONE card.

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/searchTiresBySize.do?sw=false&cs=265&ar=75&rd=16

I head there may be some special sales labor day weekend but I can't guarantee anything. Give us a call if we can help you with your purchase we would love to earn your business. Shipping is FREE.

...oh my....

Sal-XK
08-26-2011, 08:58 AM
Hehehe

NeilSmith
08-26-2011, 09:23 AM
I dont care for the all black, kinda looks too plain for a street ride , at least for my taste. I do like Discount Tire though. Tirerack was a little cheaper on my tires, about $7 ea , but overall for a set of wheels and tires shipped you couldnt beat free shipping. They are #1

Aggie07
08-26-2011, 09:52 AM
I saw that they make a matte silver finish that would look pretty good on the Commander.

How well would the 17X9 5-127 0MSM fit our trucks? I know there would be 5" of backspacing, but do you think this would clear the fender, firewall, and whatever else when fully turned or flexed? This would be assuming a 2" lift as well.

Discount Tire
08-26-2011, 09:53 AM
Thank you for your support Neil! If Tirerack ever has a lower delivered price (unit price + shipping) let us know. We won't be beat.

Aggie, it will really depend on the tire size you want to run.



Assuming you are running 17" stock wheels without spacers here's some numbers to consider.

17x9 0mm offset = 5" Backspace and 5" front space
17x7.5 +44mm offset = 6" backspace and 2.5" Front space

This translates to.....

The 17x9 will be pushed out 2.5" closer to your fenders than where your stock wheels sit now.
The 17x9 will be pushed out 1" further away from your control arms and suspension.

Matt
08-26-2011, 10:28 AM
Do they come in silver???? If so, I'd consider giving them a shot. They'll stick out 1.2" further than my current wheels which is still a bit much (5.5 BS would be perfect) but its better than al the other wheels that are 4.5" BS.

pjmjr508
08-26-2011, 10:37 AM
Matt correct me if I am wrong.
So the BS of 5.5 will work for the Xk with out having to use the spacers and not rub while using at least a 265-70/17's tire?

Aggie07
08-26-2011, 10:37 AM
They do come in silver with 5" backspacing.

Matt
08-26-2011, 10:42 AM
I couldn't find them... sure you're not looking at the Strike wheels?

Aggie07
08-26-2011, 10:46 AM
Here is the link: http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findWheelDetail.do?bp=5-127*5-5*5-4.5%2F5*5-5%2F5.5&tc=LEVST5&c=1&rcz=77386&pc=61941&wd=17&rw=9&rc=TNEINT

They also come in black with sliver outline. Just look up 17" rims, 5x5 bolt pattern, and 9" wide wheels on discount tire.

Aggie07
08-26-2011, 10:47 AM
Oops, sorry. I was looking at the Strike wheels!

Matt
08-26-2011, 10:50 AM
Doh!

Aggie07
08-26-2011, 11:11 AM
Would the Level 8 ZX even fit our jeeps without major modifications? The ones with the silver outline would look pretty good.

Discount Tire
08-26-2011, 11:25 AM
Some of the Level 8 wheels come in silver but the ZX does not come in silver at this time.

Discount Tire
04-19-2012, 11:21 AM
Bump! Video of the Scratch Guards in use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMmG8VDUkTk&feature=plcp&context=C46432ceVDvjVQa1PpcFNfR-WWxpFFgfPgqqkutgZRf0Yhq9CU1cA%3D

LWM
04-19-2012, 05:28 PM
I still want a set, just need the right incentive :)

Matt
04-19-2012, 05:35 PM
I have the incentive... they dont have the width/backspace i need :(

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/04/20120402172922-1.jpg

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/04/20120402172916-1.jpg

pjmjr508
04-19-2012, 06:53 PM
Matt correct me if I am wrong.
So the BS of 5.5 will work for the Xk with out having to use the spacers and not rub while using at least a 265-70/17's tire?

Matt
04-19-2012, 07:17 PM
Matt correct me if I am wrong.
So the BS of 5.5 will work for the Xk with out having to use the spacers and not rub while using at least a 265-70/17's tire?

It depends on more than just BS... width is just as important.

For example I have 4.5" backspace on my wheels- but they're 8" wide. And they still rub with my 245/75/17s. So if i wanted to go with a 9" wide wheel I would need 5.5" backspace to have the same clearance as i currently do. A 9" wide wheel with my current 4.5" backspace would cause major rubbing (though if i get ride of my rear HVAC lines it might be manageable....)

Edit: Summary = NO, 5.5" backspace isn't required. You can go with 5" or 4.5" backspace as long as the wheel width decreases as welll to allow sufficient clearance based on the particular tire diameter/width.

pjmjr508
04-19-2012, 07:57 PM
TY Sir

Discount Tire
04-20-2012, 09:00 AM
The ZX, in 17", is 9" wide and comes with either a 0mm offset (5" BS) or -12mm offset (4.5" BS).

Matt
04-20-2012, 09:05 AM
How much are replacement rings for them?

Discount Tire
04-20-2012, 12:48 PM
How much are replacement rings for them?

$64.00 per pair(2), Avail in black only.

LWM
04-20-2012, 12:57 PM
The ZX, in 17", is 9" wide and comes with either a 0mm offset (5" BS) or -12mm offset (4.5" BS).

Does anyone have the comparison size with the OEM rims?

Discount Tire
04-20-2012, 02:01 PM
Does anyone have the comparison size with the OEM rims?

Stock 17" Commander wheels are 17x7.5 with a 6" backspace.

Is that what you are asking about?

LWM
04-20-2012, 02:16 PM
Stock 17" Commander wheels are 17x7.5 with a 6" backspace.

Is that what you are asking about?

Yes...

So what this means is that the ZX is 1.5 inches wider and has one less inch of backspace.

And if I understand correctly that will put the outside edge of the rim 1/2 further out than stock?

Matt
04-20-2012, 03:29 PM
No that means they'll stick out 2.5" further than stock. (I made that excel sheet you can download... its a sticky in the wheel/tire forum right?)

LWM
04-20-2012, 03:48 PM
No that means they'll stick out 2.5" further than stock. (I made that excel sheet you can download... its a sticky in the wheel/tire forum right?)

Okay, so my next question is...

Can I remove my 1.5" spacers and run this rims?

Discount Tire
04-20-2012, 03:52 PM
Matt is correct. The 17x9 ET0 ZX (5" BS) will sit out 2.5" further out when compared to the OEM wheels. With your spacers factored in, the 17x9 ET0 ZX sits 1" further out. With the spacers removed and new tires mounted you'll need to make fender modifications.

Matt
04-20-2012, 04:03 PM
Its doable... but you'll rub on the firewall (especially with 265/70/17). If you have rear hvac lines you'll want to remove them.

LWM
04-20-2012, 04:07 PM
Matt is correct. The 17x9 ET0 ZX (5" BS) will sit out 2.5" further out when compared to the OEM wheels. With your spacers factored in, the 17x9 ET0 ZX sits 1" further out. With the spacers removed and new tires mounted you'll need to make fender modifications.


Its doable... but you'll rub on the firewall (especially with 265/70/17). If you have rear hvac lines you'll want to remove them.

So if i keep my spacers, use these rims and a good AT tire I am good to go?

Would I keep with my 255/75/17 or move to the 265/75/17?

I wanted to drop the spacer so that I did not have issues when I pull into Discount Tire for service.

Matt
04-20-2012, 04:23 PM
You can't run the spacers with those wheels.... they'll stick out like 3" beyond the fenders lol.

You're better off with 265/70. The 265/75 will be tougher to fit and 255 is a bit thin for a 9" wheel.

LWM
04-20-2012, 04:25 PM
You're better off with 265/70. The 265/75 will be tougher to fit and 255 is a bit thin for a 9" wheel.

Okay so will I rub with the 265/70 with my RR 2.25" lift and pinch weld modification?

07JeepXK
04-20-2012, 04:37 PM
Yes because they will sit out an inch farther then you current setup. Cut out your pinch welds and weld in new steel and you will be fine because you have tube fenders up front and don't have to worry about hitting the fender flare. But like Matt said you will still have to do something with the heater/ac lines.

LWM
04-20-2012, 04:41 PM
But like Matt said you will still have to do something with the heater/ac lines.

I have been putting this off because I live in AZ (90s today) but I did rip it off while wheeling last summer and I never use the rear seat so I guess I should just do it and get it over with.

pjmjr508
04-20-2012, 07:06 PM
I am still confused on some of this.
What I would like to know with a 9" rim for our rigs running 265/70-17's. What would the back spacing on the 9" rim need to be, to be able to run with out spacers? Also with out rubbing as long as I already did the pinch weld mod, will not be removing the HVAC lines, I use my 3rd row seats

Matt
04-20-2012, 07:16 PM
I am still confused on some of this.
What I would like to know with a 9" rim for our rigs running 265/70-17's. What would the back spacing on the 9" rim need to be, to be able to run with out spacers? Also with out rubbing as long as I already did the pinch weld mod, will not be removing the HVAC lines, I use my 3rd row seats

None. You will have rubbing with any wheel that'd fit and not cause interference with the balljoint. 5.5" would be the best chance and would basically be like my current setup (that i rub with 245/75/17, so the 265s will rub more due to the width)... I wouldn't go with 5" unless you're willing to remove the HVAC lines OR it's a street queen, otherwise your tire will remove them for ya on the trail.

pjmjr508
04-21-2012, 12:13 PM
None. You will have rubbing with any wheel that'd fit and not cause interference with the balljoint. 5.5" would be the best chance and would basically be like my current setup (that i rub with 245/75/17, so the 265s will rub more due to the width)... I wouldn't go with 5" unless you're willing to remove the HVAC lines OR it's a street queen, otherwise your tire will remove them for ya on the trail.


Hmm ok so if I understand you correctly I will rub no matter what I do unless I use spacers with the stock wheels? I don't want to remove the lines in the back because I use the 3rd row. I wheel it now & it doesn't rub.

Holaday07 4.7
04-21-2012, 12:35 PM
I am trying to follow this, but not 100% sure I get it. Could I run these with the 255.75.17s I dont rub with my Rubi wheels and 1.25 inch spacers unless i hit a rock really weird, and I couldnt make it rub with the spacers and stock XK wheels

Matt
04-21-2012, 01:31 PM
Hmm ok so if I understand you correctly I will rub no matter what I do unless I use spacers with the stock wheels? I don't want to remove the lines in the back because I use the 3rd row. I wheel it now & it doesn't rub.

The issue is the stock wheels are only 7.5" wide. The stock wheels have 6" backspace... so with your 1.5" spacers you're basically running 7.5" wide wheels with 4.5" backspace. These level 8 wheels that are 9" wide with 5" backspace will stick out 1" further than your current setup. Turn your wheel to full lock and see how close they get to the firewall (keep in mind if your tires are worn that'll make a significant difference).

Matt
04-21-2012, 01:38 PM
I am trying to follow this, but not 100% sure I get it. Could I run these with the 255.75.17s I dont rub with my Rubi wheels and 1.25 inch spacers unless i hit a rock really weird, and I couldnt make it rub with the spacers and stock XK wheels

Do you know the specs of the rubi wheels? Did a quick search and came up with 7.5" wide with 6.25" backspace. If that's the case, with your 1.25" wheel spacers you're basically running 7.5" wide wheels with 5" backspace... which means these wheels will stick out 1.5" further than your current setup.

Same as posted above, turn your tire to full lock and see if you have 1.5" of clearance (imagine the tire being pushed out another 1.5" perpendicular from the hub, into the firewall)

LWM
04-21-2012, 03:09 PM
I want to just drive down to Discount Tire and try them on, but if they won't work I am screwed because they will not put my rubi back on (rubi won't fit without the spacer) with the wheel spacer and I won't be able to get home again.

Discount Tire
04-23-2012, 11:48 AM
Knappster, Call the store and speak with the manager, he may be able to work something out with you.

07JeepXK
04-23-2012, 01:27 PM
Rubi wheels have 6 inches of back spacing. I was at the dealer a few weeks ago and they were selling a set and I read the offset off of the inside of the wheel. Later that day I converted it and the calculator said 6 inches.

LWM
05-04-2012, 09:01 PM
I took Jacobs XK over to Discount Tire today and tried these on. My battery was dead in the old camera and every time I tried to take a photo with my phone the blasted thing would ring and I had to answer it.

Anyway Travis took some photos and I am sure they will make it up soon after he does some research on the tires that we tested.

We tried two different size tires and I think I can even go one larger on mine since I removed the front bumper and fender, I will check when I get back from Moab.

Discount Tire
05-07-2012, 09:29 AM
Thanks for coming out last week Jon. It was nice to meet you in person finally.

We test fit the 17x9 0mm offset Level 8 ZX with two different tire sizes, 265/65R17 and 265/70R17. The vehicle we tested has a 2.5" lift/leveling kit and aftermarket upper control arms. It also already had some fender liner trimming done to it.


For reference. Here's the commander with stock wheels, 255/75R17 tires, and 1.5" bolt on wheel spacers.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/Commander_stock_spacers-1.jpg

Test Fit #1: 17x9 0mm offset Level 8 ZX wheels with P265/65R17 Falken Wild Peak AT:

Notes: This application could be good for those with stock suspension IF the vehicle owner is willing to make some modifications. The P-metric P265/65R17 tire size is approved for a 9" wide wheel. With stock suspension (no lift or leveling kit) this application may require some fender liner trimming in the front fender wells. With 2.5" lift/leveling kit little to no fender liner modifications would be needed. Please note, additional modifications may be needed for vehicle with rear Hvac.

(Test fit vehicle in pics below has a 2.5" leveling kit/lift)
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/ZX_265_65_17_2-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/ZX_265_65_17_3-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/ZX_265_65_17_4-1.jpg


Test Fit 2: 17x9 0mm offset Level 8 ZX with P265/70R17 Falken Wild Peak AT

Notes: This application is best for vehicles with a 2.5" lift or greater. Front fender liner modifications will be required to avoid rubbing. P265/70R17 is approved for this wheel. Please note, additional modifications may be needed for vehicle with rear Hvac.

(Test fit vehicle has 2.5" lift/leveling kit)
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/ZX_265_70_17_3-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/ZX_265_70_17_1-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/ZX_265_70_17_2-1.jpg

Matt
05-07-2012, 11:17 AM
Just a note for future test fitting.... there is considerably more clearance on the drivers side of vehicles equipped with rear hvac. By the looks of it, and based on the difference in clearance on my vehicle, even the 265/65/17 would probably hit the passenger side lining where the hvac lines are run.

LWM
05-07-2012, 11:22 AM
Just a note for future test fitting.... there is considerably more clearance on the drivers side of vehicles equipped with rear hvac. By the looks of it, and based on the difference in clearance on my vehicle, even the 265/65/17 would probably hit the passenger side lining where the hvac lines are run.

Valid observation, I did not consider that when I took Jacob's KX in. My XK does not have inner fenders and we will be able to see things more closely when I take it back to install these with tires one more size larger if they will fit.

Discount Tire
05-07-2012, 12:08 PM
Thanks for the edit Jon. :)


Just a note for future test fitting.... there is considerably more clearance on the drivers side of vehicles equipped with rear hvac. By the looks of it, and based on the difference in clearance on my vehicle, even the 265/65/17 would probably hit the passenger side lining where the hvac lines are run.

Good to know. Thank you for the additional information. Info added to our test fit post.