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Rumor has it you guys are working on one of these.......
Any updates? :cool:
The bumper has been in development for almost a month, I am hoping the proto-type will be finished by Friday.
Holaday07 4.7
12-04-2011, 01:16 PM
Every week it is another week, lol. Cant wait to see the finished product.
Every week it is another week, lol. Cant wait to see the finished product.
I saw the bumper yesterday. The center section was complete with the hidden winch and the driver side was tacked on, now we just need to mirror that side for the passenger side and cut the final bumper.
07JeepXK
12-05-2011, 06:37 AM
...and you didnt take any pictures???/
Holaday07 4.7
12-05-2011, 06:39 AM
they are on FB
07JeepXK
12-05-2011, 06:49 AM
how would i go abouts looking at them on facebook?
Holaday07 4.7
12-05-2011, 07:03 AM
how would i go abouts looking at them on facebook?
Its under the Steel Armadillo Page. I cant get on FB at work, or I would post a like for you. Maybe someone else can assist here
Can people without FB see the pictures? ?
pjmjr508
12-05-2011, 07:23 AM
Can people without FB see the pictures? ?
Don't know if you can view with out face book.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150404573354926&set=a.10150250336044926.328221.545929925&type=1&theater
Cool... looks like its coming along good.
Jon, why you holding out on us here???
Cool... looks like its coming along good.
Jon, why you holding out on us here???
Sorry, posted them at about 11pm last night from my phone and I need to get home to my computer to post them here.
Ah.... lol we'll let you slide this time!
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/12/325308_10150404573354926_545929925_86984-1.jpg
Thanks Matt.
As you can see, the winch is pretty well tucked inside. A larger winch will mean more exposure on top but I am considering an optional cap to cover the winch for those interested.
The passenger side will mirror the driver side and the fog light hole will most likely be in the first section to each side of the front piece.
Working on how the skid plate will work together as well as allowing the option for the owner to keep your 4xGuard skid plate if your prefer (I want to sell you one if you do not have one but I do not want you to spend money buying something you already have).
Fondy
12-05-2011, 08:11 PM
That's looking unreal, keep up the good work lads.
07JeepXK
12-06-2011, 12:29 PM
I wish I was rich!
cico7
12-06-2011, 12:53 PM
Don't forget to hang a bottle opener on the drivers side of the bumper and put some holes in it for fog/driving lights.
Dont put the holes in the bottle opener, the bumper....
XK N00b
12-06-2011, 04:17 PM
Don't forget to hang a bottle opener on the drivers side of the bumper and put some holes in it for fog/driving lights.
Dont put the holes in the bottle opener, the bumper....
There should be a "like" button here somewhere
AJeepZJ
12-06-2011, 04:55 PM
Thanks Matt.
As you can see, the winch is pretty well tucked inside. A larger winch will mean more exposure on top but I am considering an optional cap to cover the winch for those interested.
The passenger side will mirror the driver side and the fog light hole will most likely be in the first section to each side of the front piece.
Working on how the skid plate will work together as well as allowing the option for the owner to keep your 4xGuard skid plate if your prefer (I want to sell you one if you do not have one but I do not want you to spend money buying something you already have).
and lockable???
and lockable???
I had not thought of that but There may be a way to do that, I will play with a few ideas.
criket
12-07-2011, 09:02 PM
Bumper looks good man! I like it.
You know on the old tube bumpers, people used to make them double as an air tank. Would that be possible with a design like this? That way, we wouldn't have to move the spare or try to fit that pancake tank inside the wheel well of the spare. This is me just thinking out loud.
You know on the old tube bumpers, people used to make them double as an air tank. Would that be possible with a design like this?
You would not get enough air stored to be of any real use.
There might be a space in the bumper to install a small compressor however.
XK N00b
01-15-2012, 02:23 PM
Any updates on the front bumper progress?
Any updates on the front bumper progress?
Doc closed his shop and moved to his garage at home this week so that has unfortunately slowed my projects a little. This is still a goal for February.
https://theultimatejeep.com/notfound.png
Sal-XK
03-13-2012, 06:40 PM
https://theultimatejeep.com/notfound.png
Subtle real subtle :cool:
Sal-XK
03-13-2012, 06:43 PM
lol thanks dude
I'm half way threw a 24hr shift so my bored butt is following you around the forum LOL
Wish I had better news, I am going to have to talk to some other fab shops if things don't pick up. I have a lot of money invested in the first one but it isn't going anywhere fast.
Sorry to hear that Jon. Hopefully things turn around for the fabrication industry soon.... I know its a tough position to be in.
Sal-XK
03-14-2012, 04:07 AM
Doc got job I think didn't he? So is he only fabricating on tue weekends or is he done for awhile?
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Doc got job I think didn't he? So is he only fabricating on tue weekends or is he done for awhile?
From what I read elsewhere he ran into some dificulties with the city as well as having a full time job so his time in the shop "gaarage" is limited. I will call him later today for an update.
Okay... Enough of the waiting, I started the bumper yesterday and will update as I go along for your comments and suggestions. Remember this bumper cannot meet everyone's expectations but I will do my best. The first thing I noticed is that there is no way a Warn Powerplant will fit in this bumper, guess that means two versions are coming instead of one.
Anyway the first thing you are going to have to do is remove your current bumper & grill and then cut out the center support.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/FrontBumperDay121-1.jpg
I did it with a saws-all but you can do it several different ways.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/FrontBumperDay12-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/FrontBumperDay15-1.jpg
I then hit it with some rust protection (primer) but I will go back and paint it all on the final install.
Then bolt in the new mounting plate:
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/FrontBumperDay17-1.jpg
Install your winch:
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/FrontBumperDay111-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/FrontBumperDay1141-1.jpg
and then install the some to be finished bumper to the mounting plate.
Here are some mock-ups for your review and comments:
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/FrontBumperDay118-1.jpg
The silver line you see under the "Bumper Skid Plate" is the ASFIR Front Skid Plate.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/FrontBumperDay119-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/FrontBumperDay117-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/FrontBumperDay1201-1.jpg
These photos show both the new "Bumper" and the attached "Bumper Skid Plate" that will go into production.
Sal-XK
03-23-2012, 04:17 PM
It looks small, Where is my stinger going to go :)
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pjmjr508
03-23-2012, 04:19 PM
So far liking what I see
It looks small, Where is my stinger going to go :)
There are pads on both sides of the winch that should hold a stinger I will mock one up and show you what I am thinking, need to get some cardboard tube.......
TrialByFire
03-23-2012, 05:03 PM
It's looking good! I like the hidden winch and the fact that the window washer reservoir doesn't need to move.
I agree! Really liking what I see so far. :)
criket
03-23-2012, 07:45 PM
There are pads on both sides of the winch that should hold a stinger I will mock one up and show you what I am thinking, need to get some cardboard tube.......
Toilet paper rolls.
I like the bumper man! It looks good with the skid plate part.
07JeepXK
03-23-2012, 07:51 PM
Is that mounting plate going to be strong enough to support the winch without ripping the whole bumper off when using it?
Omelet
03-23-2012, 09:00 PM
Very nice Jon! I like the clean look you have going. This build is reminding me of something :D
Very nice Jon! I like the clean look you have going. This build is reminding me of something :D
I knocked that out in a couple of hours...
Here are a few from today, considering dropping the winch 1" and moving forward 1" to allow for more options on winch selections and allow customers to install a winch they may already own.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/FrontBumperday22-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/FrontBumperday21-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/FrontBumperday23-1.jpg
Sal-XK
03-24-2012, 12:53 PM
Looking good man!
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Understanding you want to make it as versatile as possible... i'd try to streamline the design a bit. Currently comes out a bit far/wide; not as aesthetically pleasing and also hurts clearance when maneuvering around trees in tight trails.
Drew some quick lines for an example :)
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Understanding you want to make it as versatile as possible... i'd try to streamline the design a bit. Currently comes out a bit far/wide; not as aesthetically pleasing and also hurts clearance when maneuvering around trees in tight trails.
Drew some quick lines for an example :)
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Your marks are more like that on the right side (small side), I agree with you and will try to keep it as small as possible. I want to accommodate the larger winch up front with out making a monster bumper. I may end up with two totally different bumpers before all is said and done.
Could you make it "both" bumpers basically the same, but for those with bigger winches just have the center section poke out a bit more instead of making the entire bumper bulge out further? (just a thought, not sure how it would look)
Could you make it "both" bumpers basically the same, but for those with bigger winches just have the center section poke out a bit more instead of making the entire bumper bulge out further? (just a thought, not sure how it would look)
Interesting idea, time for more cardboard :)
Is that mounting plate going to be strong enough to support the winch without ripping the whole bumper off when using it?
I missed this question, yes the mounting plate will be bolted to the frame and then the bumper will bolt to the mounting plate. The number of attachment bolts will depend on design but there are currently four and I am trying to design four additional bolts into the mounting plate. There will then be six or eight bolts that connect the bumper to the mounting plate.
I missed this question, yes the mounting plate will be bolted to the frame and then the bumper will bolt to the mounting plate. The number of attachment bolts will depend on design but there are currently four and I am trying to design four additional bolts into the mounting plate. There will then be six or eight bolts that connect the bumper to the mounting plate.
Couldn't tell from your pictures or not, but you could also put a stiffening plate in the frame where the bolts come through. Have the metal of the frame sandwiched between two thick pieces of steel instead of relying on the surface area provided by a washer. Assembly would also be easier if the stiffening plate had the bolts tack welded on so you'd just slide that in and wouldn't have to rely on holding the head of the bolt with a wrench.
Couldn't tell from your pictures or not, but you could also put a stiffening plate in the frame where the bolts come through. Have the metal of the frame sandwiched between two thick pieces of steel instead of relying on the surface area provided by a washer. Assembly would also be easier if the stiffening plate had the bolts tack welded on so you'd just slide that in and wouldn't have to rely on holding the head of the bolt with a wrench.
One step ahead of you! I think you will be pleased.
07JeepXK
03-25-2012, 09:35 AM
One step ahead of you! I think you will be pleased.
Can I purchase just the winch mounting plate from you. I want to go with a tube style pre runner type bumper
Can I purchase just the winch mounting plate from you. I want to go with a tube style pre runner type bumper
Certainly.
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What would be a general price range for just the winch mounting plate?
What would be a general price range for just the winch mounting plate?
My water jet guy is on vacation, I will ask him when he comes back a week from tomorrow (Monday).
Here are some shots of the rounded corner:
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/Day36-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/Day35-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/Day34-1.jpg
One step ahead of you! I think you will be pleased.
lol i figured so... that's why i didn't mention anything earlier. But since the strength came up, figured i would ask/chime in.
Really looking forward to seeing how this turns out. :)
AJeepZJ
03-25-2012, 08:24 PM
I feel like your original 'draft' is more appropriate for an XK.
I feel like your original 'draft' is more appropriate for an XK.
It is more with keeping to the lines of the fenders for sure.
Okay, here is what I think is the final version unless someone here has any great idea for it. Keep in mind this is cardboard so there is a little sag , the metal one will be true and level.
Keep in mind that the top will be cut out to access your winch although I might be able to have that as an option as long as I can access the mounting hardware with the lid in place.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/Day46-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/Day45-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/Day42-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/Day41-1.jpg
And a peak at the new skid plate that goes between the bumper and the front skid (radiator support)
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/Day43-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/Day44-1.jpg
Looks pretty good. Is that sized to fit some of the larger winches you were concerned about?
Also, if you make the top plate removable/hinged (think of the console lid you made) then that would solve the issue of reaching the mounting hardware and allow non-winchers to use that space for cargo (tow straps, tools, etc)
Looks pretty good. Is that sized to fit some of the larger winches you were concerned about?
Also, if you make the top plate removable/hinged (think of the console lid you made) then that would solve the issue of reaching the mounting hardware and allow non-winchers to use that space for cargo (tow straps, tools, etc)
Yes, this space was increased to allow for larger winches (Warn PowerPlant still too large with cover in place). I am not sure if the top will be hinged or how I want to do that but I do want a cover option of some sort if I can make it look good.
Where did you get that radiator skid?
Where did you get that radiator skid?
The Aluminum one is ASFIR (available in my store) and Steel Armadillo will be making the one between the bumper and the ASFIR item.
Omelet
03-29-2012, 07:58 PM
Wow that thing is bigger than I was expecting. Are you making two versions and this is the larger version? This one sticks out a ways. It doesn't look like you even needed to cut the crossmember to fit a normal winch in there. Not that I am planning on buying one for the XK I don't have :) Just throwing out my thoughts.
Wow that thing is bigger than I was expecting. Are you making two versions and this is the larger version? This one sticks out a ways. It doesn't look like you even needed to cut the crossmember to fit a normal winch in there. Not that I am planning on buying one for the XK I don't have :) Just throwing out my thoughts.
This one only sticks out 1/2 inch further than the one I took off, I think the cardboard gives a false look. But yes, they will be a smaller version for people who want to install a normal winch.
I still wonder if it would be better, both aesthetically and producibility wise, to make the "base" bumper smaller for general winches and then just have a different center section for the variant made for larger winches. Crude 5 minute sketch attached shows the additional bulge in red. This would make most of the bumper interchangeable (standard panels that can be water jetted) with just a few panels that change.
I still wonder if it would be better, both aesthetically and producibility wise, to make the "base" bumper smaller for general winches and then just have a different center section for the variant made for larger winches. Crude 5 minute sketch attached shows the additional bulge in red. This would make most of the bumper interchangeable (standard panels that can be water jetted) with just a few panels that change.
I thought long and hard about this last night and I think I will start with the smaller one since that will be the biggest seller and then I will make the large one for me and see if there is a market for it AFTER the main model (model name yet to be determined) becomes available.
Sal-XK
03-30-2012, 08:51 AM
I thought long and hard about this last night and I think I will start with the smaller one since that will be the biggest seller and then I will make the large one for me and see if there is a market for it AFTER the main model (model name yet to be determined) becomes available.
Smart business decision I think. I know I don't need a huge winch with on board. Just a 8k LBS winch would do for me.
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I like that plan. If I can afford it at the time, I'm hoping to be one of the first SA front bumper owners..... the smaller version is definitely more my style, and ill probably run something like the warn M8000-s which doesn't take up much room.
Met with the fab guy today, they will draw it up in CAD on Monday based on my mock-up and send it out to water jet next week.
pjmjr508
03-30-2012, 05:22 PM
Looking forward to seeing it, so far so good. I also agree with the others, I am preferring the smaller one.
XK N00b
03-31-2012, 11:35 AM
Looking forward to seeing it, so far so good. I also agree with the others, I am preferring the smaller one.
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wookie
04-03-2012, 05:14 PM
Will the stock bumper fit back over the winch mounting plate? Gives another option and keeps the vehicle weight almost stock.........
Will the stock bumper fit back over the winch mounting plate? Gives another option and keeps the vehicle weight almost stock.........
It is possible, I no longer have a stock bumper to work off of but I will have to figure out how to operate the winch (wireless I guess).
......................
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/04/SteelBumper-1.jpg
Sal-XK
04-18-2012, 04:20 PM
What is this? Where did you find that XK it's sick and love the ladder in the back :D
AJeepZJ
04-18-2012, 04:30 PM
Wow.... That thing is incredible... that XK just made it into favorite XK's
http://www.maniacmanufacturing.com/commander.php
^^^ maybe Jon could save some time/money and contact them.... become a USA supplier/manufacturer of their bumper :cool: (of course, pending how far along the SA developed version is!)
maybe Jon could save some time/money and contact them.... become a USA supplier/manufacturer of their bumper :cool: (of course, pending how far along the SA developed version is!)
I like that idea, I sent them an e-mail but I will continue the production of ours in case there is not a positive response as well as providing options for those who might prefer something different.
Sal-XK
04-18-2012, 04:57 PM
Ah that's Arrie's bumper, I never seen that XK before but the bumpers I have. Here is the link to his thread here talking about exporting the bumpers http://www.theultimatejeep.com/showthread.php/370-Exporting-Commander-bumpers
AJeepZJ
04-18-2012, 05:02 PM
lol.... Im thinkin Jon should continue work on the the bumpers... :)
Sal-XK
04-18-2012, 05:06 PM
lol.... Im thinkin Jon should continue work on the the bumpers... :)
Ya we were a little rough on the guy when he popped up with his bumpers the price was just hard to take and then add another 1-2k in shipping cost and just crazy expensive.
NeilSmith
04-18-2012, 05:44 PM
Sal, I dont know about that ladder idea now that I see a pic of it. They ( the ones on conversion vans ) just never seem to be very strong to me.
Omelet
04-18-2012, 05:50 PM
You aren't the only one! That is a bad spot for a ladder that sticks out that for. That thing would get ripped off the first time I hit a trail. The places around here are tight enough on the Jeep. The rest of that XK is sweet though!
:eek: yeah.... jon keep working on yours!
Sal-XK
04-18-2012, 06:03 PM
Yup that is a bad spot for a ladder.
Ah that's Arrie's bumper, I never seen that XK before but the bumpers I have. Here is the link to his thread here talking about exporting the bumpers http://www.theultimatejeep.com/showthread.php/370-Exporting-Commander-bumpers
I forgot that thread, you can buy 2 or 3 of my bumpers for that price!
Sal-XK
04-19-2012, 04:25 AM
I forgot that thread, you can buy 2 or 3 of my bumpers for that price!
Exactly! and we know nothing about how his mounts up either.
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I forgot that thread, you can buy 2 or 3 of my bumpers for that price!
Maybe when your bumper is done, do a winch+bumper combo deal. :)
Sal-XK
04-19-2012, 10:02 AM
Maybe when your bumper is done, do a winch+bumper combo deal. :)
Heck ya I like that do some package deals. Front and rear bumper package to :D
Front bumper is coming along well. The winch plate is finished and installed with a new winch. The bumper mounting brackets are attached and the front of the bumper is installed with the fairlead and optional "D" ring hardware.
Tomorrow we tack on all the other panels to see what the finished product will look like.
stites-xk
05-02-2012, 07:33 PM
Awesome can't wait to see it
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literally biting my nails...
I was real impressed. I need to take the plastic bumper off Jacob's Commander and see if it will cover the winch plate and winch, it looks like it will for those who want to keep the stock bumper look.
pjmjr508
05-03-2012, 04:27 PM
nice
Couple of photos from today:
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/IMAG0027-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/IMAG0028-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/IMAG0026-1.jpg
We did get one side put on but those photos will have to wait until tomorrow. :)
pjmjr508
05-03-2012, 05:04 PM
Looking good, can't wait to see finished product.
So looking forward to more pictures. .... :)
Nice look without the bumper :D
Nice look without the bumper :D
True Dat! But it looks even better with one :)
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/IMAG0037-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/IMAG0035-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/IMAG0034-1.jpg
The bumper is just sitting there so that is part of the reason for the big gap under the lights.
TrialByFire
05-04-2012, 09:51 PM
It's really coming along! Will it be done in time for Moab?
It's really coming along! Will it be done in time for Moab?
Yes! The goal is to have it complete by Friday :)
What size winch do you have hidden in there?
Any any plans to cut some holes for the stock fogs?
Jon is there anything preventing you from losing about an inch on the bottom and then immediately tapering upwards after the winch area? Like this:
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Jon is there anything preventing you from losing about an inch on the bottom and then immediately tapering upwards after the winch area? Like this:
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I think that is certainly doable, I am making a few other adjustments to the top as well so the final will be different than what we see today.
Any new developments? Or are you waiting for the unveiling at the TUJ Summit?
Any new developments? Or are you waiting for the unveiling at the TUJ Summit?
The unvailing will be in Moab... :)
We are still trimming and tweeking but it will be finished in time. Ended up taking the ends off and redesigning them as I did not like the way the gap was needing to be filled. have to decied on what the top will be like when finished and then if there is time I will build the skid plate too but I am not sure there is enough time left for that at this stage in the game.
Cool man.
Lol Ill continue to wait impatiently. :)
Measured the new bumper today, The front edge is 5.5 inches from the grille (exactly the same as the OEM bumper).
It really looks sharp, I will paint it tomorrow.
I stoped buy the fabrication shop expecting to see a bunch of metal plates tacked together, when I arrived it was finished! I have to paint it tomorrow and find the dress-up bolts I want but I looks real sharp in my opinion.
Sal-XK
05-10-2012, 04:18 PM
No pics! Not cool
No pics! Not cool
I will post one up after I paint it!
Painting it to match or going with bedliner? ?
Painting it to match or going with bedliner? ?
In order to have it ready I am going with Rust-oleum Truck Bed Coating.
Good call.
Only bad part about my vehicle is i'll probably have to paint to match (or maybe matte white) so it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. I have a friend that paints so painting to match isn't a problem.... and it'll probably give me the "OEM concept vehicle" look im going for anyhows
Okay....
Here it is...
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/IMAG0040-1.jpg
Some good work there with the blends. And you said it doesn't stick out further than the stock bumper? That's awesome. Need some side shots... :)
stites-xk
05-11-2012, 03:47 PM
That's awesome
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Holaday07 4.7
05-11-2012, 05:23 PM
Is there going to be a low profile version, or lighter version for people that use it on the trails. That looks like it will actually reduce the approach angle and is a tank
Is there going to be a low profile version, or lighter version for people that use it on the trails. That looks like it will actually reduce the approach angle and is a tank
This bumper only weighs 50 lbs without the winch,this bumper had to be this size to fit the winch and it was a tight fit at that, there is no extra space in there. There will be a low profile steel non-winch version if that is what you are referring too.
What winch do you have in there?
What winch do you have in there?
Smittybilt X-RC8, this winch is available at our on-line store and will have a special price when purchased with the bumper.
Smittybilt X-RC8
Good info for reference:
Overall Dimension (LxWxH): 21" x 6.22" x 7.283" (558.8 mm x 158 mm x 185 mm)
Comparing the roller fairlead, it looks like its about the same height in the front as this bumper. I'm wondering if the size/placement of your D-rings (plus it being a head on photo) is making it look bigger than it is?
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Comparing the roller fairlead, it looks like its about the same height in the front as this bumper. I'm wondering if the size/placement of your D-rings (plus it being a head on photo) is making it look bigger than it is?
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The bumper face is 9.5" tall if that helps.
Here are a few more:
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/DSCI0179-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/DSCI0181-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/DSCI0183-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/DSCI0185-1.jpg
That's a lot better!
How are the shackle mounts installed? Wonder if the can be centered more to help even out the look so there's not so much open space above.
This will work with the 4xg front guard?
Measured the new bumper today, The front edge is 5.5 inches from the grille (exactly the same as the OEM bumper).
The bumper face is 9.5" tall if that helps.
Just measured mine. Stock bumper sticks out 6" from the grille and has ~7" tall face. Based on winch measurements, I can see how it's impossible to not increase the size of the front face.
Note that my 4XG receiver sticks out 2.5" below my front bumper... thereby being equivalent to the bottom of the SA bumper. I don't see this being an issue with approach angle at all. And when i just went outside to take this picture, i think i just answered my own question of if the front guard will work. Actually looks like it'll be almost a perfect match...
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/20120512075537-1.jpg
Holaday07 4.7
05-12-2012, 05:15 AM
Hmm, I guess it just looks like it kills the approach angle. Certainly looks durrable though. Are the shackle mounts tied into the frame in any way?
Hmm, I guess it just looks like it kills the approach angle. Certainly looks durrable though. Are the shackle mounts tied into the frame in any way?
That's a good question- in a previous post he mentioned the shackle mounts are optional, which makes me think they can be moved. Having the shackle mounts on the bottom and as far outwards as possible doesn't do the size of the bumper justice.... kind of like a fat lady wearing a dress with horizontal stripes lol. I think if the mounts were moved up and more centered in the open space on each side of the winch, they would break up the size of the face a bit (like in that other bumper i posted).
Holaday07 4.7
05-12-2012, 05:22 AM
Gotcha, that first pick looked like weird too. Currious on the shackle mounts because of the weight of our vehicles. Match that to a winch and whatever has stopped forward progress, it would suck for any part of the equation to fail
That's a lot better!
How are the shackle mounts installed? Wonder if the can be centered more to help even out the look so there's not so much open space above.
This will work with the 4xg front guard?
I will take a photo with the 4xg front guard when I return from vacation (Jacob has one on his Commander in my driveway)
Are the shackle mounts tied into the frame in any way?
The eight bolts that you see holding on the shackle mounts actually hold the bumper on to the mounting system hidden behind the bumper. The shackle mounts need to use these eight holes in order to give you the most strength but I will examine the mount when I return from Moab and see if we can modify it to center it vertically on the bumper. We had to lower the bumper on the last day to fit the top of the bumper and that is why it looks so tall (no way to hid the winch in a smaller box).
pjmjr508
05-13-2012, 12:09 AM
I like what I see so far
Omelet
05-13-2012, 08:45 AM
Nice work Jon! Function over looks right :) Whats the thickness of the steel you guys used? Are there reinforcements in the corners (under the headlights)?
Nice work Jon! Function over looks right :) Whats the thickness of the steel you guys used? Are there reinforcements in the corners (under the headlights)?
I will have to ask the thickness question when I get home from Moab, we can go thicker or thinner once people voice in. Lots of reinforcements on the corners, the photos don't do a good job but there are more to come.
Jon I'm putting together a spreadsheet of winch options. Based on the size of the Smittybilt XRC8, how much extra room is there for the length, depth and height dimensions?
I would imagine there's some room for the length and depth, but the height is probably tight. For example:
XCR8. = 21.00 x 6.22 x 7.29
XRC10 = 21.15 x 6.30 x 8.60
M8000= 21.04 x 6.30 x 7.60
.... I would guess the XRC10 is too tall but am curious about the M8000.
The height is the main concern, the trouble is the controller that you plug in to, If I could relocate it I can raise the bottom an inch but it will not fit anywhere else on the Commander. U will take some photos of the winch on the winch plate without the bumper installed and you will see what I mean. The cables on the controller would need to be extended and most people will not want to go that far for an install.
Have you considered having the winch protrude out of the top a bit and then making cover plates, similar to how a diff cover works, to encapsulate taller winches? (Like if someone wanted to run the XRC10)
I'm looking at the Warn VS8000 as well which seems like a good weekend warrior winch and is only 6.97" tall.
Omelet
05-20-2012, 03:00 PM
I am using the Superwinch EP9 and it fit behind the stock bumper just fine. Give it a look, here are the dimensions: 23.35" L x 6.26" D x 7.13" H (593mm L x 159 mm D x 181 mm H)
I am using the Superwinch EP9 and it fit behind the stock bumper just fine. Give it a look, here are the dimensions: 23.35" L x 6.26" D x 7.13" H (593mm L x 159 mm D x 181 mm H)
I've actually been meaning to look up which winch you had.... I figured if it fit in your stock bumper I wasn't sure why the front of the steel bumper had to be so big. There's also a guy who did what you did with his XK; but i haven't looked up his winch dimensions.
I am using the Superwinch EP9 and it fit behind the stock bumper just fine. Give it a look, here are the dimensions: 23.35" L x 6.26" D x 7.13" H (593mm L x 159 mm D x 181 mm H)
I will see what I can find out about that winch.
Jon, your winch is 7.29" tall. The superwinch is 7.13" tall, so not quite as high but comparable.... And the VS1000 that i'm looking at is 6.97" tall.
The big thing is I can move the winch control forward and then the bumper can be shorter if I place the control elsewhere.
Omelet
05-20-2012, 10:45 PM
I know you don't want to mount the solenoid remotely for simplicity, but it is really not that difficult and depending on where you mount it might make access easier. It is hard because you are making a bumper that will work with many different winches so everyone can choose what they prefer, but it would be so much easier to build it around one good, solid, affordable winch. I wouldn't want to be you right now making these decisions :)
I can't speak for everyone here.... but "simplicity" went out the window with cutting the frame supports out for mounting the winch plate. So regardless this bumper is not a quick "bolt on" install. Relocating the solenoid is cake, especially since you'll have to run wiring to power the winch.
I guess my point is that, IMO, those buying this bumper wont be phased by relocating the solenoid and that making it lower profile (shorter front) would help with sales.
Curious as to what other members think?
Going back to page 2..... the pic I posted and your response had a good direction. Optional cap for those unwilling to relocate the solenoid?
Thanks Matt.
As you can see, the winch is pretty well tucked inside. A larger winch will mean more exposure on top but I am considering an optional cap to cover the winch for those interested.
The passenger side will mirror the driver side and the fog light hole will most likely be in the first section to each side of the front piece.
I can't speak for everyone here.... but "simplicity" went out the window with cutting the frame supports out for mounting the winch plate. So regardless this bumper is not a quick "bolt on" install. Relocating the solenoid is cake, especially since you'll have to run wiring to power the winch.
I guess my point is that, IMO, those buying this bumper wont be phased by relocating the solenoid and that making it lower profile (shorter front) would help with sales.
Curious as to what other members think?
Me too, There is a lot of time and money in this R & D and it would be wasted if no bumpers sell, Tell me what you would do if you were making this bumper for your rig. I tried to relocate the controller but the attached cables are only so long and needing access to the clutch makes another problem. An open top is easiest but I was trying for the hidden effect as much as possible.
Its a tough call and you've put a lot of work into this bumper.... I'd hate to see it not sell because of aesthetics. I wish I was closer so I could check it out in person and help brainstorm options. I think the original idea with an access cover has some merit. The cover can be flat for those willing to relocate the solenoid or for those who don't have a winch yet but plan on adding one later.... And a "high clearance" cover can be optional for larger winches or those unwilling to relocate solenoids. Could base the concept off your locking center console.
I think any options to reduce the height of the front face should be considered. You want someone to see that bumper and say "damn I want one of those!!".... right now I don't think it has that effect. Im already planning on buying and am in the process of selling my 4xG. But right now I'd be buying because you have the best winched option available, not because I'm in love with the look.
Since you already have that prototype on yours.... maybe I can test out the "lower profile" prototype that requires solenoid relocation and then you'll have 2 options out there.... see which one sells better and go from there as to whether you should cancel the larger front face in lieu of a high clearance cover
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Its a tough call and you've put a lot of work into this bumper.... I'd hate to see it not sell because of aesthetics. I wish I was closer so I could check it out in person and help brainstorm options. I think the original idea with an access cover has some merit. The cover can be flat for those willing to relocate the solenoid or for those who don't have a winch yet but plan on adding one later.... And a "high clearance" cover can be optional for larger winches or those unwilling to relocate solenoids. Could base the concept off your locking center console.
I think any options to reduce the height of the front face should be considered. You want someone to see that bumper and say "damn I want one of those!!".... right now I don't think it has that effect. Im already planning on buying and am in the process of selling my 4xG. But right now I'd be buying because you have the best winched option available, not because I'm in love with the look.
Since you already have that prototype on yours.... maybe I can test out the "lower profile" prototype that requires solenoid relocation and then you'll have 2 options out there.... see which one sells better and go from there as to whether you should cancel the larger front face in lieu of a high clearance cover
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These are some great suggestions, I will remove the controller and see how short I can make the bumper with a removable cover.
I would be happy to get a low profile on your vehicle and then together we can come up with a controller relocation option.
I'm definitely up for helping out.... i've actually been looking at solenoid relocation kits that are sold and honestly, they're $50 for a few wires and terminals.... We could definitely put together a better kit and customize it for the XK's to make it much more of a "standard" installation.
I'm also thinking of ideas to either create a cover for the washer fluid reservoir or relocate it.
I'm also thinking of ideas to either create a cover for the washer fluid reservoir or relocate it.
Jacob switched out his bottle for a smaller one, I will see where he purchased his and maybe I can come up with a kit as well.
hoaxci5
05-22-2012, 05:58 PM
Jacob switched out his bottle for a smaller one, I will see where he purchased his and maybe I can come up with a kit as well.
I did?
Sal-XK
05-22-2012, 06:12 PM
i did?
lol :D
LMAO.
It's OK... i suck at remembering peoples names (hence my username- makes it easy for everyone!)
pjmjr508
05-22-2012, 07:26 PM
I would really like to see a low profile version as well. I like what you have put together but IMOP it is to big.
I did?
Well there are so many Commanders in front of my house now I will have to go look again :)
Jon, what's the height of your winch with the solenoid on top? Realized that the winch specs I was posting were the height dimensions of just the motor/cradle.... not with the solenoids.
So I was poking around my XK this morning trying to come up with ideas for washer fluid relocation, washer fluid cover and bumper trimming.... thought popped into my head about SA bumper- How will it mesh up with a trimmed flare? Looks like it's currently designed primarily for the SA fenders. I really like the clean look of Trials; makes it look like it's an oem part for the vehicle.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/SAsBumper-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/TrialsBumper-1.jpg
On another note I was looking at fog light options and wonder if these PIAAs can be put in there and run off the factory harness...
http://www.piaa.com/automotive-lamps/halogen-004xt.html
https://theultimatejeep.com/notfound.png
Omelet
05-26-2012, 09:47 PM
I bought the SuperWinch solenoid relocation kit when I did mine because I got a great price, but yes you can make a great kit to the exact length you want for much cheaper than most boxed kits.
Why not just reuse the OEM fogs? With a $50 3000k HID kit they are awesome!
Why not just reuse the OEM fogs? With a $50 3000k HID kit they are awesome!
Fitting the OEM behind the bumper is a problem because we made it so small they will not fit.
The helpful suggestions on the front bumper have been amazing. It seems everyone has ideas on how to make it better and you know what? They are right.
With input from this great community we have worked on ways to shorten the height and remove the access hole from the top, the installation process has been simplified and the overall bumper is sleeker.
If all goes well I hope to have something to show you in a week or so. The fabricator hired a new welder and we need to bring him up to speed on the project.
So I was poking around my XK this morning trying to come up with ideas for washer fluid relocation, washer fluid cover and bumper trimming.... thought popped into my head about SA bumper- How will it mesh up with a trimmed flare? Looks like it's currently designed primarily for the SA fenders. I really like the clean look of Trials; makes it look like it's an oem part for the vehicle.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/SAsBumper-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/TrialsBumper-1.jpg
This is one of those helpful hits, we will modify the bumper to line up with OEM fenders.
Any new developments?
Still looking to hire a welder
FrankXK9
06-16-2012, 06:07 AM
Hey was looking around came across this site...
http://bluelakeoffroad.com/pinnacle/index.php?p=product&id=110&parent=56
they have fog light options maybe would help you out with some ideas
That looks a lot bigger than Jons. I think his bumper is barely 5" tall at those locations where they have the 5" cutouts.
Pixelcodex
06-16-2012, 12:57 PM
Looks to me like that Tactical Armor group one, which sticks out too much.
Omelet
06-16-2012, 09:52 PM
Actually I am pretty sure it is the same company.
Pixelcodex
06-16-2012, 10:06 PM
They might be. They are both in Georgia but, now that i looked into it, they have different addresses on the contact page...
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