Tire Gate.

[AJeepZJ]

I remember talking Sal a few weekends ago some feasible tire gate options that don't require a hitch OR new bumper. Simple Bolt On. (I like my bumper, lol).

I was thinking of this idea, and I'd like to run it by you (S.A.) and the group to see what your thoughts are on it. The idea is to use the support sub-pillars below much in the same way that the 4xG Rear mounts to them. Run some some steal that exits from underneath from the pillars fits between the 4xG Rear and bumper, but does NOT block the hitch. So this means that it these two pieces of steel will have to run just on the outside of the hitch (but still within the 4xG gap) I'll provide some pics and a little drawing in a couple hours. Once it arrives to the hitch, 2 'elbow's can be installed that will allow these two arms to swing down to allow access to the rear gate and window. From here the arms run vertically at a 45degree angle where these will then meet and can be welded together. A mount or fixture appropriate for affixing a wheel and tire can then be welded in the location of the adjoined 45degree angled arms. License plate bracket can be installed on an arm. Wiring available for lighting the plate can made available too. Hope I explained this thoroughly.

Comments, Concerns, Criticisms????

[Sal-XK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WkKFlduaMI

[AJeepZJ]

Something like that, but mine would use a lot less metal, lol. But it uses the same concept that I was describing of using the support pillars below. The way that one is mounted would interfere with my 4xG rear. I was thinking of something that would accommodate the rear skid.

[Matt]

I wouldn't be opposed to something that required trimming the bottom edge of the bumper either so we don't lose ground clearance. I was thinking of designing something like this a while back.... just never got started with it (once I start something it consumes me until I finish. Lol so I'm very careful about when I start projects like that)

[AJeepZJ]

COMPLETELY changed my idea, when I started looking at the Jeep and how I wanted to do it. I ended up not liking it, lmao. BUT I really liked this idea. Tell me what you guys think!

There are 2 mounting locations, 4 bolts total. The interior panel would have to be temporarily removed to install the nuts from the inside. And additional steel plate could be placed here for additional structural integrity for the upper and lower mounting location. Rubber washers could be used and put on the outside and i between the gate and frame, as well as the frame and nut to protect the frame and finish while also acting to keep moisture out of the interior.

no giggling at my paint using abilities, I used to be VERY good with paint shop pro, and photoshop when I was in HS, but ran out of subscription and i fail at them horribly now... so no laughing!!

Here are two pictures of my ideas... disregard the little circles on the bottom of the bumper, i'm still trying to find a way to get dual exhaust done, lol.

Product itself shown on vehicle without tire.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/TCminus-1.jpg

Finished product' with gate and tire cover
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/TCstar-1.jpg

thoughts!?!?!

[Matt]

I would go with a similar concept but use bracketry through the bumper instead of the body around the tail light. It'll probably be difficult to reinforce that area and the hatch.

Conceptually, envision the tiregate design supported by brackets directly on the bumper as opposed to the hitch... which gives me another idea, shackle mounts through the bumper anyone??? :)

[hoaxci5]

I've mentioned it a couple times. I want 4xG rear sliders with attached swing out carrier.

[AJeepZJ]

I would go with a similar concept but use bracketry through the bumper instead of the body around the tail light. It'll probably be difficult to reinforce that area and the hatch.

Conceptually, envision the tiregate design supported by brackets directly on the bumper as opposed to the hitch... which gives me another idea, shackle mounts through the bumper anyone??? :)

I'm having a hard time envisioning that. What support is there in the bumper... are you talking about the 'shoulders' on the edges? I would think it would be very easy to reinforce the mounting points from the inside using thicker steel brackets.


I've mentioned it a couple times. I want 4xG rear sliders with attached swing out carrier.

I would not be opposed to this at all....

[Matt]

I'd use the framing behind the bumper to build off of, not the bumper itself. From the outside it would look like the carrier is just bolted to the bumper, but there'd really be steel directly on the other side (kind of like studs in a house used to hang a TV via a mount... the TV mount isn't screwed to the sheetrock, its screwed into the studs behind the sheetrock)

[Sal-XK]

I'd use the framing behind the bumper to build off of, not the bumper itself. From the outside it would look like the carrier is just bolted to the bumper, but there'd really be steel directly on the other side (kind of like studs in a house used to hang a TV via a mount... the TV mount isn't screwed to the sheetrock, its screwed into the studs behind the sheetrock)

Yuuup! I got ya


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[AJeepZJ]

Ah, ok - how would the presentation look once the bumper is put back on. How will the bumper be modified to fit this extra framing.

[Sal-XK]

Ah, ok - how would the presentation look once the bumper is put back on. How will the bumper be modified to fit this extra framing.

On the XK we have lots of room back there AJ for you though hiding the frame work behind the bumper might not be possible.

[AJeepZJ]

Which makes me revert back to my 2,nd idea. The WK and XK are different in the rear. But I know a shop and I will see what the options are.

[criket]

IMO, I wouldn't mount the rear tire towards the right like in your pictures AJ. When you turn your head to back up, you look over your right shoulder and the tire would be in your way. To see around it, you'd have to crank your head more around like an owl.

Example of this: You've seen the back hatch of an Xterra. Notice the hatch and hatch window dip on the passenger's side. That's for better visibility when in reverse.

I like Matt's idea and have too thought about this. But I'd have the tire seated more to the drivers side. I also like the idea of making sliders attach to the tire carrier and bracing it to the steel underneath the step pad on the back bumper.

[AJeepZJ]

I use a back up camera in conjunction with my side-view mirror's

[Sal-XK]

I never turn around while backing either but I don't have a rear camera either. I've just always used my side mirrors for backing up even in cars just a habit I guess.

You have to keep in mind the weight of a 32" tire and wheel and I'm sure you will want to mount a gas can so that's another 50LBS. So you will have over a 100LBS to hold up with what ever you build. Now extend the weight out past its support pieces meaning the weight is not resting on top of its main support its extended out past that which will increase the stress of holding the weight up. Then consider pot holes and dips in the road and that will add even more stress. Now go off road and bounce around drive down some wash board roads and that thing is getting abused pretty good. Also consider maybe getting it hung up or hitting off road as you depart an obstacle it will need to stand up to that as well. It will need to be pretty solid not to vibrate and make noise back there which would drive most of insane. I'm not saying it can't be done because it can, I'm just making sure you're considering the weight and stress this will produce. I would tie it in at least in three places. The two frame rails and the tow receiver as supports for this and anywhere else there is solid frame to help support this. Then when all is done probably install a rear skid plate that would protect it and protect the frame rails back there as well. I have everything I need to build this except a welder which I need to stop procrastinating and just go purchase one. I might just chill with the mods on the jeep for awhile and use the money to buy some more tools like a welder and a pipe bender and stuff.

[Matt]

AJ, less room behind the WK bumper would actually make it easier. I would essentially be putting a steel shim between the rear frame and the inside of the bumper... probably one on the driver side and one on the passenger side. Then on he outside of the bumper mount a bar across. This bar would be extremely sturdy since it will be supported directly by the frame with as many bolts & stiffening plates as we'd want. You could then build the carrier off the bar; a pivot on one side and a latch of the other (like how the tiregate works).

If you ever wanted to remove the tire carrier, those mounting points could be used for another accessory, like a shackle mount.

[AJeepZJ]

I'm going to pull off the interior just to see what my options are inside there. The Tire is the only thing I really want to carry on the Gate.

[Sal-XK]

No true you'll add the fuel can everyone does at some point :)


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[AJeepZJ]

I'd have a fuel can, haha - Just not on the tire carrier, haha.

[Matt]

On the roof rack..... right?

[HueyPilotVN]

I thought I might add some pictures of the rear tire carrier that I have had for the last four years. It has the three attachment points like was mentioned previously. It attaches to the receiver hitch and creates a new receiver hitch farther out. It also has support brackets that attach to the subframe on either side to anchor it.

The pivoting arm that supports the tire, gas can, and HiLift jack has a large hinge and has a locking pin on the left to secure it. The weight of the entire arm is supported all along the bottom when it is locked so that the hinge does not have stress on it.

This tire carrier was built by Ross Hildebrandt who used to operate as "Get Lost 4X4".

I had mine offset because I do use the rear view camera. The downside is that people cannot see my right rear lights if they are directly behind me or to my left rear. I added more lights. I also never look over my shoulder when backing but rather use the camera and the mirrors.

Now I do not have a dog in the fight but I thought these pictures might stimulate some ideas.



Center mount to receiver.

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/tirecarrier013-1.jpg

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/tirecarrier020-1.jpg


Side supports mount to subframe. I guess these could be higher with a cutout in the rear plastic bumper for more ground clearance.

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/233-1.jpg

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/2321-1.jpg

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/231-1.jpg

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/tirecarrier022-1.jpg

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/tirecarrier014-1.jpg

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/tirecarrier031-1.jpg

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/207-1.jpg

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/006crop2-1.jpg

[Matt]

Thanks for the pics! And yeah that's pretty much what I was envisioning except coming through the bumper instead of out then up, and maybe have a third support in the center through the bumper rather than dropping down to the hitch.

I've also been considering ways to relocate the backup camera for when I get a rear bumper/carrier.

[criket]

That tire carrier looks good!

I guess I'm the only person on this forum who turns their head when backing up, LOL. Actually, I hardly ever use mirrors when backing. I guess that's so becuase when I was learning to drive on my parents farm (trucks, tractors, etc.), I ALWAYS had a trailer behind me. So I guess I got use to watching the trailer by being turned around and never got out of the habit, LOL.

[Matt]

Na I have to look out the back also... mirrors don't do it for me!

[HueyPilotVN]

It is kind of hard to look back over your shoulder in a 40 foot motor home. I always have to rely on the camera and mirrors when backing up and I try not to back up much. I hate those dead end streets.

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/01119-1.jpg

[Sal-XK]

Guy just posted pics of his on JC this seems pretty easy to make.
http://www.jeepcommander.com/forums/showpost.php?p=208872&postcount=21


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[AJeepZJ]

Like the idea - I don't like that one.

[LWM]

I was talking to Hoaxi5 yesterday about this same concept, I have it on my list!

[Pixelcodex]

This is an old thread, but do you think it would be possible to adapt something like this one? (though it seems heavy)

1369

[LWM]

This is an old thread, but do you think it would be possible to adapt something like this one? (though it seems heavy)

1369

The main problem with that one is you need steel to attach it to. I think we really only have to good options: 1) attach it to a steel bumper or 2) use the tow hitch and frame rails.

[stites-xk]

I used the frame rails. Check out my garage.

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[Pixelcodex]

I used the frame rails. Check out my garage.

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Looks good. This project will be a good incentive to finally teach myself how to weld...