Who is NOT running Wheel Spacers

[BonesWK]

Would love to see the options that are out there, I hate having my spacers on..

I know AEV's fit with no issue, any others?

Of course the pre-requisite is running bigger tires

[Core XK]

I run 245/75/17 DuraTracs with OEM wheels with rub only at full lock. I will probably get new wheels with different offset before I run spacers. I rarely full lock so I don't see it as an issue at the moment. I thought with the large tread I'd hit the ball joint bolt but it doesn't touch it.

[Matt]

I'm not running spacers. There are quite a few wheels that will fit... the key is getting the optimal width and backspace.

8-8.5" wide and 5-5.5" backspace combinations are what you want to look for. As you get into the 4.5" backspace or 9" width range you start to run into rubbing issues, primarily with the wider wheels because then you cant run thinner tires to compensate.

[Matt]

If you have a few bucks to spend, Walker Evans makes some nice wheels that'll work. Otherwise just search the standard wheel stores for AR, MB, etc brand wheels with the necessary specs.

[xk2006]

I do NOT run wheel spacers. I ran Firestone Destinations AT 255/70/17 on Hulk rims for over three years. I just recently replaced those with Falken Wild Peaks AT 265/65/17 still on the Hulk rims. Neither rub anywhere or at anytime. I have a 2" lift.

[BonesWK]

Sorry Guys,I should have been more specific - Tire size at 255/75 or 265/70 M/T's at a minimum. Im not going smaller tires when its time to get new ones.

The issue I have is the caliper as well as the rubbing.

[1USMC]

My Wheels are 18X9 5.71 back space and +18mm Offset. No spacers. With 4" Lift and pinch weld mods, no problems so far... but not much room to spare !

[Matt]

Wheel combinations you want to look at:
8" wide with 5-5.5" backspace
8.5" wide with 5.5" backspace

Deviations will depend on the level of trimming/rubbing/etc you think is acceptable for your intended driving/wheeling.

[1USMC]

8.5" wide with 5.5" backspace




Thats also what I was looking for and 285 X 60 's.

But with 18" I was limited to my selection on wheels and tires. Every time I found a wheel I liked with that spec it was discontinued. Happened 3 times. So ended up with my 4th choice and 65's.

The back space and tire ratio I ended up, I knew both where pushing the limits.... Oh Well ... My Luck... but it has worked better than I was expecting.


Oh also, just FYI for anyone looking at any wheel tire combos... here is a Link to a cool wheel-tire calculator. You can put in your stock spec's and then see what happens with other combos. http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp

[Matt]

Yeah its a PITA trying to find wheels in the specs we need.

Fyi here's a cooler link:
http://www.theultimatejeep.com/showthread.php?1755-Wheel-Offset-Backspace-and-Tire-Metric-Standard-Converter-download

;)

[BonesWK]

Yeah its a PITA trying to find wheels in the specs we need.



You can say that again... I mean im not really in the market now, just trying to figure out about how much I may be spending down the road. Spacers are alright, but now with a little one riding around I would rather them off. Dont get me wrong, my spacers have treated me well...except for 2 years ago when my wheel came off my jeep...

Just would rather get rid of that fear all together

[Matt]

Being that you have a WK you have a bit more leniency than us XK guys.... but the envelope is still pretty close.

[valpacer]

I am getting some Black rock steelies or Yuma's this week, but they are both a 0 offset rim. The Savegre's are a +10 which is as far as I would go if you don't have a SL. I ran them when at 2" on 265/70's and they were a good fit.

[BonesWK]

I am getting some Black rock steelies or Yuma's this week, but they are both a 0 offset rim. The Savegre's are a +10 which is as far as I would go if you don't have a SL. I ran them when at 2" on 265/70's and they were a good fit.

I love the look of the Yuma's and the price - Black Rock is a great deal for wheels. If you get either, let us know how they fit. My main concern is the Caliper/Caliper Bracket. I have the pinch weld mod done so Im not too worried about the tire rub.

[Pixelcodex]

I am getting some Black rock steelies or Yuma's this week, but they are both a 0 offset rim. The Savegre's are a +10 which is as far as I would go if you don't have a SL. I ran them when at 2" on 265/70's and they were a good fit.

How much do those Black Rock steelies weigh? Can't find that online. I would love to get steel wheels when I get bigger tires, but I am concerned about how much the extra weight can affect mileage negatively.

[Matt]

Adams running the black rocks...... they required 1/4" spacers to clear the caliper arbor. So if your goal is to eliminate spacers, might want to look at other options.

[BonesWK]

Adams running the black rocks...... they required 1/4" spacers to clear the caliper arbor. So if your goal is to eliminate spacers, might want to look at other options.

I was secretly hoping that Black Rock Alloys would sit differently.. haha. I do like some of what ATX wheels have to offer as well. Just gotta save coin now

[Matt]

Good point.... didn't think about a difference between steelie & allow models. I'd definitely test fit one first before ordering a whole set.

[07JeepXK]

How much do those Black Rock steelies weigh? Can't find that online. I would love to get steel wheels when I get bigger tires, but I am concerned about how much the extra weight can affect mileage negatively.

The Black Rock steelie weights approx 10 lbs more then the oem wheel so I was told. I definitely noticed a huge difference in weight between my 265/70s on oem compared to 285/70 on the black rocks. Those suckers are heavy!

[BonesWK]

Good point.... didn't think about a difference between steelie & allow models. I'd definitely test fit one first before ordering a whole set.

Hoping Valspacer is the tester if he gets the Yuma's :)

Yeah Steelies are a bit heavy for my liking

[valpacer]

Adams running the black rocks...... they required 1/4" spacers to clear the caliper arbor. So if your goal is to eliminate spacers, might want to look at other options.

Hey Matt, which ones are these? There is a fella on JF running the Yumas who says they clear the caliper, dont remember his name though?

[Matt]

The black rock steelies that Adam (07jeepxk) is running..... lol that's about all I know

[BonesWK]

Hey Matt, which ones are these? There is a fella on JF running the Yumas who says they clear the caliper, dont remember his name though?

Dont you go and get me excited now.. I must find this post on there

[valpacer]

Was a white wk, running 285's, I'm on my phone, hard to search :-(

The name Collins rings a bell

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[BonesWK]

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f67/wk-xk-wheel-tire-picture-combination-thread-1246013/index5.html#post13936549

found it! I need to ask him some questions!

Edit - there are a few on the thread that didnt need spacers.. Im taking notes.

Edit 2 - PM'ed him, he tells me he is NOT running spacers as the wheels are 4.5" backspace. Looks like I have some options out there!

Now time to save $$$$ Tough with a newborn haha

[valpacer]

Good work! I'm glad you confirmed it cause I will have a set down here in 2 weeks!

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[BonesWK]

Good work! I'm glad you confirmed it cause I will have a set down here in 2 weeks!

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Please let us know how they fit, for my sanity! lol

[Matt]

I am running 4.5" backspace too, but 8" wide wheels which I presume is the width those come in? With that setup on the WK and 265/70/17 you'll probably be alright.

[TrialByFire]

I'm running the MB TKO 17x8.5 with 33's now. There was so much rubbing that I had to cut out the rear seat heater hoses and beat the pinch weld as flat as I could. They also took out both my TPMS receivers. Other than that, they protect the valve stem much better than the Pintlers did, and the rims hold up to abuse much better so I don't knock chunks off the bead. As I have discussed in other threads, the XK-version Pintlers had the wrong backspace (5.75") and were bending the tie rods at full-droop and full-lock. The JK Pintlers backspace (5.25" was it Matt?) should rub a lot less, but again, are not really for trail use IMHO. I would say that 8.5" wide with 5.25" backspace is about optimum.

[Matt]

Yup! 8.5" wide with 5.25-5.5" backspace is the sweet spot (5.5" if you want wider tires)

Note that you're talking about tie-rod interference with the superlift though. This is not a concern with a spacer or OME type lift because the tie rod location is not changed in relation to the wheel hub. With the superlift, the tie rod is relocated to remain OEM geometry; this creates a condition where that wheel backspace becomes imperative to prevent interference.

[BonesWK]

Wow, thanks for all the input guys. I really appreciate you explaining this stuff to a wheel newbie like myself.

This thread has turned out more useful than I thought!

[AJeepZJ]

Have any of ya'll just considered replacing the calipers with something that can increase your selection?

[07JeepXK]

Who makes calipers for our Jeeps that work make other wheels fit.

[Matt]

And isn't it the caliper arbor that hits?

[07JeepXK]

And isn't it the caliper arbor that hits?

Not exactly sure what the caliper arbor is.. Lol but it makes contact with the caliper bracket at a spot that can't be modified or ground down. There isn't much material in that spot.

[Matt]

The arbor is the piece that the caliper bolts to.... lol so we're probably talking about the same piece since im not sure what else would be referred to as the "bracket".

[07JeepXK]

Yeah were talking about the same thing.

[TrialByFire]

And isn't it the caliper arbor that hits?

Yes. The Pro Comp steelies I ordered hit the caliper arbor.