Double Stack?

[cabledog25]

So i was reading on one of the other forums and they was saying something about its easier to double stack lifts on a 2wd? If thats true how difficult would it be to put OME springs on with my current spacer lift? would it work without too much trouble? or would it be cheaper and easier to go with SL? not going to do it any time soon just wondering.

[Matt]

It's not true. A lot of people only focus on the CV axle angles and incorrectly assume that since 2WD don't have CV axles that there's no issue with stacking lifts.

The truth is CV axles are cheap, so who cares if you bust those? Whats not cheap is the steering rack which will get beat up operating the tie rods at steep angles. It's also not cheap to keep getting alignments when you have to replace balljoints and tie rods consistently. Not to mention the lack of suspension down travel will result in a crappy ride and even less offroad flex than we currently have.

In other words... don't stack lifts.

[cabledog25]

alright ill just be saving up for a SL

[07JeepXK]

If you were to double stack lifts a year down the road your going to be putting in twice the amount of money to replace worn out parts then the price of the superlift. It's really not worth it in the end. Especially when I steering rack is extremely expensive. I just spent a grand on my Jeep between the steering rack, steering pump and alignment and I did all the labor myself minus they alignment. But the dealer even did the for me for cheap since I'm always there buying parts. Lol

[cabledog25]

LOL i dont plan on shelling out that much money so i think ill just save up for the superlift.

[07JeepXK]

Good choice.

[cabledog25]

haha yeah i though so too, and also got to save up for some 33s or 34s

[JumpmasterRT]

Can you even find an SL anymore? Thought they stopped making them.

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[cabledog25]

If i remember correctly they are on backorder and should be back available again, i think last people heard they will be available in like 6 months or so.

[Matt]

We thought they were going to be available in 6 months.... about 8 months ago.

Last I heard there isnt even an estimated production start date. Ill keep my fingers crossed for Christmas 2013!

[cabledog25]

Haha well hopefully they will start production back up soon. what other 4+ lifts are available for us?

[Matt]

None that are worth buying IMO.

Rough Country mentioned they may make a kit for us. I sent them a few emails. Maybe if you guys send some messages to Rough Country, Rancho, etc also someone will make us a kit

[07JeepXK]

Zone offroad sells the old BDS 4 inch lift. But Superlift is a far more superior lift then the BDS. My buddy has the BDS on his 05 WK and I dont like how low the front crossmember is so low to the ground. I've told him many times to add an extra 1 inch spacer all the way around to increase the lift height. The front cv axles actually point upward which is hurting the amount of lift it provides (meaning he can add an extra 1 inch spacer all the way around without really hurting anything). He's had to replace the bushings in the rear upper control arms and front/rear sway bar end links several times now. The only way I would ever run that lift is if I spent the extra money to address the issues the kit has.

[stites-xk]

Zone offroad sells the old BDS 4 inch lift. But Superlift is a far more superior lift then the BDS. My buddy has the BDS on his 05 WK and I dont like how low the front crossmember is so low to the ground. I've told him many times to add an extra 1 inch spacer all the way around to increase the lift height. The front cv axles actually point upward which is hurting the amount of lift it provides (meaning he can add an extra 1 inch spacer all the way around without really hurting anything). He's had to replace the bushings in the rear upper control arms and front/rear sway bar end links several times now. The only way I would ever run that lift is if I spent the extra money to address the issues the kit has.

Did bds ever put a bend in the rear lCA's so they dont hit the sway bar end links?

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[christiang26]

I think superlift is still producing wk xk suspension, I order mine in July and got it on August, I just installed a month ago

[07JeepXK]

Did bds ever put a bend in the rear lCA's so they dont hit the sway bar end links?

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The uppers or lowers. I didn't know that was an issue. Jay doesn't have that problem. He's had his installed for over 2 years now.

[07JeepXK]

I think superlift is still producing wk xk suspension, I order mine in July and got it on August, I just installed a month ago

Where did you order it from??

[Matt]

Where did you order it from??

x2

And does it have rear drop down brackets or the new curved radius arms? Wondering if you found a vendor that had a kit on their shelf still...

We know someone who ordered last April and cancelled their order in August because the kit still wasn't available.

[stites-xk]

The uppers or lowers. I didn't know that was an issue. Jay doesn't have that problem. He's had his installed for over 2 years now.

Elcid had this issue when he was messing with both lifts!

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[christiang26]

x2

And does it have rear drop down brackets or the new curved radius arms? Wondering if you found a vendor that had a kit on their shelf still...

We know someone who ordered last April and cancelled their order in August because the kit still wasn't available.

Yes it has the new rear uca, I bought it from kolak on jeep forum.

[07JeepXK]

Elcid had this issue when he was messing with both lifts!

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I think Elcid was the issue!

[stites-xk]

Good point. I just remember seeing it on one of his post long time ago!

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[06JeepXKHEMI]

For those looking to buy SL, here's the link people on JF.com are ordering and receiving it from..
http://www.4wd.com/Jeep-Lift-Kits-Jeep-Lift-Kits-Suspension/Jeep-Lift-Kits-and-Suspension-Systems.aspx?t_c=1&t_s=38&t_pt=3533&Manufacturer_PQ=Superlift&Year=2006&Make=JEEP&Model=COMMANDER+LIMITED&Engine=5.7L+V8+345+CID+GAS

[07JeepXK]

Elcid had this issue when he was messing with both lifts!

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I was just thinking about it. The rear upper control arms are located no where near the sway bar end links. How could they possibly hit??

[stites-xk]

I was just thinking about it. The rear upper control arms are located no where near the sway bar end links. How could they possibly hit??

Rear lower control arm!!

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[Matt]

I want to know if those kits are available.... are they the "new" kits?

[stites-xk]

Here you go 07jeepXK http://www.michaellivingston.com/project-xk-new-4-lift-from-superlift/

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[stites-xk]

I did talk to super lift about two months ago and if you have the old kit they will make the new arms for you. I think they quoted me around 300!

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[Matt]

No way would i pay full price for an "old" kit now and then tack on an extra $300 for the arms. The kit's already overpriced; its just our only option.

[stites-xk]

No way would i pay full price for an "old" kit now and then tack on an extra $300 for the arms. The kit's already overpriced; its just our only option.

I could not agree with you more! If they had the new kit out when i got mine i would have got that but.... you know it is what it is! I just wanted the new arms so i called them!

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[Matt]

I hear ya man

[07JeepXK]

Rear lower control arm!!

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Oh my bad. Thought you said upper control arms.

[stites-xk]

Its all good! Happens to the best of us!

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[07JeepXK]

Let me know how that AEV EGR Module works out for you..

[06JeepXKHEMI]

I want to know if those kits are available.... are they the "new" kits?

Whats the major difference in the new to old kits? The guy stated he got a great deal on the SL, may be worth getting in contact with 4WD.com on price. ALso their site lists free shipping on anything over $138..

[Matt]

The rear control arm design changed. Eliminating the drop down brackets that get hung up on rocks and eliminates the issue of the tire swinging forward into the fender when suspension is compressed

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Ok, so for the rear control arm they want an additional $300?

[07JeepXK]

For a good set of adjustable control arms that about the price your going to pay. I wouldn't install a superlift on my jeep without rear lower adjustable control arms. Those brackets hand really low

[cabledog25]

I got a question. How much lift do the OME HD suspension lifts get?

[Matt]

Depending on vehicle specs and accessories.... 2.5-2.75".. im a little under 3" with the additional strut spacers I added

[cabledog25]

Ok thanks is it bad that im already looking for more lift and i dont even have a lift on the XK yet? but it should be going on in a few days if all goes well

[06JeepXKHEMI]

No its not bad, I think all of us are looking for more lift!!! I know I said I wouldnt go SL but with a buddy of mine wanting my set up it may be a reality. Then Ill want 6" of lift ahahahah

[cabledog25]

haha yeah well im thinking about the SL just to make it look alot better and to laugh at my gf trying to climb up in it LOL!!!!

[stites-xk]

For a good set of adjustable control arms that about the price your going to pay. I wouldn't install a superlift on my jeep without rear lower adjustable control arms. Those brackets hand really low

They hang really low! I smack them all the time. If you have the old kit the new arms are worth buying. Imo.

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[lekmedm]

For those looking to buy SL, here's the link people on JF.com are ordering and receiving it from..
http://www.4wd.com/Jeep-Lift-Kits-Jeep-Lift-Kits-Suspension/Jeep-Lift-Kits-and-Suspension-Systems.aspx?t_c=1&t_s=38&t_pt=3533&Manufacturer_PQ=Superlift&Year=2006&Make=JEEP&Model=COMMANDER+LIMITED&Engine=5.7L+V8+345+CID+GAS

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between all the kits that pop up from the link above (besides price)?

[07JeepXK]

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between all the kits that pop up from the link above (besides price)?

I was just looking at the website. I'm not sure what the difference is. But had a good laugh where it lists max tire size 31x10.50

I'm running 33x11.50's on an old man emu lift!

[Ross]

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between all the kits that pop up from the link above (besides price)?
The A.E.V FIT package that is around $1,400 is the full kit except for the EGR module. That module costs around $200 alone I think.
The Master Kit comes with everything including the module.

[07JeepXK]

The AEV module is almost $300

[06JeepXKHEMI]

All those lifts are on sale, apparently the guy on JF.com got a great deal which is why he got it..

[07JeepXK]

Wish I had the extra money. That would be a great addition to the Hemi Overland Commander I'm looking at tomorrow!

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Wish I had the extra money. That would be a great addition to the Hemi Overland Commander I'm looking at tomorrow!

Like the sound of this!!! The one you sent me?

[lekmedm]

The A.E.V FIT package that is around $1,400 is the full kit except for the EGR module. That module costs around $200 alone I think.
The Master Kit comes with everything including the module.

Well, I guess a phone call to 4wd.com would be warranted to clarify this. The description they provide does not mention the EGR module as being included.

Has anyone figured out if the Flashpaq programmer can substitute for the EGR thingamagig?

[stites-xk]

Has anyone figured out if the Flashpaq programmer can substitute for the EGR thingamagig?

It can not! you need the EGR to fix the geometry of the vehicle.

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[07JeepXK]

Like the sound of this!!! The one you sent me?

Yeah the same one I sent you pictures of. I want to test drive it and see if they will put it up on the lift for me so I can inspect somethings underneath. I don't want to be replacing diff bushings and what not right away

[cabledog25]

good luck tomorrow man.

[pjmjr508]

GL with the Overland Hemi. I love mine.

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Ok got the run down from the guy on JF.com, he paid $1500 for the SL, but not the master kit. So my question is what kind of lift is he going to achieve and is it even worth doing over OME since so much from master lift is not included....?

[07JeepXK]

Even though he didn't get the master kit, he will still get the same amount of lift as every other SL kit on the market. That won't change. 4wd.com needs to update there website and list the exact parts included in both kits. I noticed that there is a difference in what's listed between the two kits, but what they have listed doesn't make sense. The master kit lists strut spacers and the other kit doesn't. That's definitely a mess up on their part because you can't install the lift without them!

[06JeepXKHEMI]

The one kit says it retains factory strut assembly, I know there has been talk about it, what if you ran OME with that, too much?

[peteyturbo]

The SL kit has been for sale here for the same price for a long time.. I was thinking of getting it before I ordered my ome hd setup..In case anyone misses the sale
http://www.4x4groupbuy.com/store/superlift-2006-jeep-commander-lift-superride-shcks-p-4615.html
Plus these people actually answer phones, I also had them add the OME suspension kit for the commander but it turns out I got it a bit cheaper elsewhere. Nonetheless its a good price for the SL kit and good service from my experience.

[Matt]

They all use the factory strut.

You cant use the OME as is.... it'll be way too much. I plan on running a modified OME & superlift kit for ~5.5" lift

[06JeepXKHEMI]

So essentially it would be like stacking OME and spacer lift? I wonder if they could piece one together, like lift kit without any coils or struts/shocks..

[Matt]

Theres no savings there. The SL uses the stock front spring/strut.... you still need the strut whether you use your stock strut or the OME; and in either case you still need the SL strut spacer. The OME does not mitigate the need for the SL spacer

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Got ya, so you can use OME struts but you need to use different springs or modify OME springs

[07JeepXK]

Yes it would be like double stacking lifts essentially. Why would you not want the coils? You need the rear coils to achieve the lift in the rear. And the kit doesn't come with front struts. You have to use OEM struts or an aftermarket stut like the OME. You are supposed to use the entire oem strut assembly with coil and their 4 inch strut spacer bolts on top. You would have to modify your OME coil for it to work like Matt said or go back to your stock front coils

[Matt]

Got ya, so you can use OME struts but you need to use different springs or modify OME springs

Yup. But remember the OME struts are the same dimensions as stock struts so you still need the SL spacer to achieve the "base" lift.... then tweak the springs for additional height.

And the springs are a whole new discussion lol:
www.theultimatejeep.com/showthread.php?1706-more-lift-to-the-superlift

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Right I remember reading all of this.. So I really wouldnt be able to sell my OME which makes this undesirable at the moment.. If I were able to sell OME itd be worth it, but if Im going to do it I would want to get the MOST amount of lift utilizing modified OME and not stock stuff..

[stites-xk]

That's what i did modified sl with OME!

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[valpacer]

I run the SL top spacer and a heavier than OME HD front coil. Didnt use the SL in strut spacer though. Need the RCV's though, at full droop the CV angles are getting to the edge. And limit straps to stop the knuckle banging on the strut.

Can still only tyre to the available gearing though, and 35's are stretching the drive-ability.