Fox Emulsion rear shocks

[06JeepXKHEMI]

As posted in my garage thread I bought the Fox Emulsion rear shocks for 4" lifts, measures just over 28" eye to eye.. Part #980-02-038-A
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/avyzugaj-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/rusyje6u-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/su9eneze-1.jpg

These will be getting installed Saturday and measurements will be taken..

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[06JeepXKHEMI]

They measure 2"..https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/4a4uzaqa-1.jpg

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[Matt]

Awesome. Now where's our resident super moderator to take all those posts from your garage thread and move them here?

[06JeepXKHEMI]

I could copy and paste everything, just wouldnt have who wrote it,,

[Matt]

Adam will take care of it....

Looking up some specs now

[07JeepXK]

About to undergo a polygraph exam. I'll hook this post up later tonight

[Matt]

I sense a lie.... :p

[06JeepXKHEMI]

This site gives some good info, looks like you can customize the valving and different travel lengths..
http://sdhqoffroad.com/foxracingshox20emulsion.aspx

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Updated first post with part number

[Matt]

Andrew.... is that the part number on the box? That was one of the part numbers I had on my list of possible shocks....

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Yes thats the fox part # on the box and when google it tons of sites pop up with it.. obviously each different travel length is a different part # but there are different options to choose from

[Matt]

Yeah I actually have the full FOX catalog with all the specs. The 980-02-039-A are the resi version.

I wondered if JBA ordered them specifically for the xk/wk upper shock mount. Either way their prices are on par with other sites. They just wouldn't tell me what valving they specify which is understandable.

[06JeepXKHEMI]

There are the 980-02-038-A non resi.. As I said Im not expecting any additional lift but if that happens great, I needed new rears so these seemed worth the extra coin..

[Matt]

I hear ya. Was just saying thats the equivalent resi part number. Its the same overall shock with the addition of the external reservoir. Functionally identical.... lol just more bling (unless I can add the compression adjuster)

[07JeepXK]

I sense a lie.... :p

I don't lie!!! Lol

[07JeepXK]

Are these direct bolt on? Proper eye sizes and all??

[06JeepXKHEMI]

They should be I spoke with jba I'm assuming they'd be direct bolt on..

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[Matt]

EAD Offroad has a great price on these shocks, specifically the resi version with C/D adjuster. I'm exchanging emails with FOX now to dial in the valving and I may be ordering these today....

[AJeepZJ]

How easily can these be redialed?


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[criket]

i personally would carry them to an offroad shop and have them dialed. There are 3-4 shops here in NC that do it.

[Matt]

There aren't any shops around me that do that. Since I know my spring rates, weight, etc, FOX should be able to get them pretty close to perfect. If I want to adjust them after that they're really not hard to adjust- i'd just have to bring them somewhere for nitrogen. Hell they're easier than the Fox and Marzocchi mtb forks I work on :p

[Matt]

Are these direct bolt on? Proper eye sizes and all??


They should be I spoke with jba I'm assuming they'd be direct bolt on..


What came with the shocks? The part numbers we've been throwing around come standard with 1/2" bolt diameter x 1.25" wide heim mounts. The WK/XK standard shocks are 1/2" bolt diameter bushing mounts with 1.875 sleeve on top and 1.50 sleeve on bottom.

So for the top mount we'll need 5/8" worth of spacers, and for the bottom mount we'll need 1/4".

There's another FOX 2.0 Emulsion line that comes with 1.5" bushing mounts, so they'd be practically bolt-on like the other shocks we run (just need a few washers up top), but the bushing mounts aren't as good for articulation offroad.

[06JeepXKHEMI]

The shocks came like this
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/du3y8upu-1.jpg

With these 3/4" bushings for each side
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/ry9aqujy-1.jpg

After installing each side looks like:
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/yta2u8am-1.jpg
And measures:
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/yse5ejeq-1.jpg

Glad we ate discussing this now rather than Saturday!!

Edit: Dont mind all the trash in the backround, those are boxes of Jeep parts!!!

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[Matt]

Is there a part number stamped on the side of those bushings?

If i was a betting man i'd say they can just be cut down to achieve the necessary mounting width.

Note the top bolt is 12mm, not a full 1/2". So you might want to throw some electrical tape on it to make sure its a snug fit with the heim mount or you might get some knocking noises.

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Part number on bushing is 66050 and each shocks came with (4) of these..
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/yryvubaz-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/nype6yvy-1.jpg

These have no part #

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[06JeepXKHEMI]

And the bottom measurements
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/matysy3y-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/yqa5e7yh-1.jpg

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[Matt]

oh wait... whats the ID of those rubber bushings? Do those metal sleeves fit in them?

They might replace the bearing in the top mount to convert it to a bushing mount.

[Matt]

http://www.offroadwarehouse.com/products/sfID1/249/sfID2/283/sfID3/284/productID/3771

^ I bet that's it

[06JeepXKHEMI]

The ID of the bushing is 5/8" and the metal sleeves do not fit inside

[Matt]

Check out that link. You should have a 5/8" OD x 1/2" ID sleeve to convert the top to a bushing mount.

Those smaller sleeves are used as a heim. Whats the total width with one of those on each side of the lower mount?

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Posted up already ^^^^

[06JeepXKHEMI]

That link shows a longer sleeve not short ones like I have.. In the links picture its a single long piece that goes inside those bushings, I have 4 short sleeves that do not fit inside the bushings..

[Matt]

I know, lol we're posting too fast.

In my previous post I said you "should" have the longer sleeves that are 5/8" OD to convert the top shock mount to a bushing mount.

Those smaller metal spacers are for on each side of the bearing when using the heim setup.

[06JeepXKHEMI]

So, after all the confusion hahaha how should I mount these bad boys up?!?!

[Matt]

Call JBA and ask them about the 5/8" OD - 1/2" ID sleeve that you believe you need to convert the top mount to a bushing mount. Then i'd install the bushings up top, use washer to fill any remaining gap, and use heim on the bottom.

How wide is the bottom with one of those metal spacers on each side?

[Matt]

Or just cut to the chase and order Part Number 9368T157 from mcmaster.com to save yourself the trouble.

[06JeepXKHEMI]

1.25" the bottom measures with sleeve each side... Could I cut the top bushings down so they will fit up top and shim the bottom?

[Matt]

1.25" the bottom measures with sleeve each side... Could I cut the top bushings down so they will fit up top and shim the bottom?

Yeah the bottom you'll only need 1/4" on each side. A few fender washers on each side should do the trick.

For the top i'd go by the ORW instructions. Get the proper sleeve from JBA, local hardware store, or the mcmaster part number I posted.

[06JeepXKHEMI]

My problem is I have no idea how to change out the top mount, Im going to call JBA now and see how they suggest installing..

[Matt]

My problem is I have no idea how to change out the top mount, Im going to call JBA now and see how they suggest installing..

Looks like a set of snap ring pliers and then a c-clamp or any type of vise are the only "special" tools you need. basically just have to push out the bearing, and press in the bushings.

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Ok Brent said all they do for the top is put bushings in the slot and the top is done, no need for the part you're referring to.. For the bottom he said I can do what we discussed, he doesnt recall exactly what they did for the bottom mount..

[Matt]

Ok so they basically just squish the bushings in the top without the sleeve and leave the bearing installed? I guess that'll work. I'll probably get the sleeves though when i do mine.

For the bottom I think you're good to go with the metal spacers and a few fender washers.

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Im going to try the top they way they mentioned, as for the bottom after a couple idea's, if I use one of the rubber bushings and one of the metal sleeves it measures exactly 1.5", but is they shock bolt going to fit inside metal sleeve..?

[Matt]

Yea the lower shock bolt is 1/2" so it'll fit.

I wouldn't do it the way you mentioned though, it'll defeat the purpose of the heim.

I forgot Omelet did this a while ago. Looks like he did exactly what I was talking about:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f67/omelets-build-thread-aka-bison-1309254/index7.html#post12818075

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Ok so Ill do the bottom as we originally planned, metal sleeves with some washers and for the top Im going to try them the way JBA said first and order the order parts. Its already end of day Thursday I want to get these on and stop the annoying sounds coming from the old ones!!!

[Matt]

Dude it's only wednesday! lol you scared me for a second...

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Yea I know that must have mistyped!!! Hahaha

[Matt]

Its funny cause my week is screwed up... had off Monday for the holiday, and i'm home taking care of my boy today, so i have no bearing on the days of the week right now haha

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Dont crack on me but I figure the days out by my workout schedule mondays chest/bi's, tuesday shoulders/traps, etc.. hahaha its honestly the only way I know what day it is, being self employed and working from home is great, but you never know what day it is!!!

[Matt]

Next time we're at Rausch your CB handle is gonna be "bi-monday" lol.

I'm a bit bummed. Fox never got back to me after exchanging a few E-mails this morning. I left them a message but probably caught them too late in the day, so I'll have to call tomorrow morning when they open up. One good thing about having a March birthday, don't mind spending a bit more of that tax return on a birthday present to myself (the majority is going into savings though)

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Hahahaha funny!! Yea my bday is March 1 so family is getting sliders for me!! Nice to know these shocks can be modified, only I don't know Jack **** about it so I'll be running as is for now..

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[Matt]

Remember, you ordered from JBA so they're already valved per JBA specs. I doubt you'll need to dial them in any more unless you want to firm them up a bit.

[06JeepXKHEMI]

We will see how I like them and go from there...

[Matt]

Hey man are there any marks on the bottom of the shock mount that look like this? Might give an indication of the valve setup. FOX just got back to me and recommended 60/80.

https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/DSC04438-1.jpg

[06JeepXKHEMI]

There are marking on the bottom of the tube, reads 30/90..

[Matt]

Good to know!

Omelets are 30/60
JBA's are 30/90
Fox Recommended 60/80 for me based on the specs I gave them.

I'm going to go with the Fox recommendation since it was based on my vehicle weight (heavier than most WK's), and coil spring rates. The 30% compression valving is probably conservative since someone with a 3.7 base WK could order the same shocks at a Hemi Limited 5.7L XK with armor.

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Let me know how they feel and Ill make adjustments as I see fit, if at all.. This is crazy we already have 6 detailed pages in this post in a matter of a day!!! Love this place

[06JeepXKHEMI]

Alright they are in simple install as expected, I do need to go back and tape upper bolt it rattles a bit but no big deal. On the top I simply cut bushing to fit and that was that. Bottom took two sleeves each side and three washers total, I thought it was better spread them between each side.. here are some shots..
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/emaje6yj-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/evuze6e8-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/8a2ymu6e-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/6a5ysusa-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2013/02/ysasa3ur-1.jpg

Didn't get any flexible shots, crappy weather and fighting a cold so I'll report back with some flex pics some other time. Ride is great a bit more stiff but again didn't really test them out yet..

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[07JeepXK]

It doesn't look like you will have a lot of up travel with those shocks before they top out. Looks awesome through

[06JeepXKHEMI]

I had to push them down a good 2" to get them to mount, so they may not have much when level but the articulation should be where It's advantage is..

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[hoaxci5]

By the looks of the first picture the compressed length is pretty similar. If the OME had been flipped over the upper half that slides into the other appears to be equal length.

[Matt]

Compressed length for those shocks is 17, about 2.25" more than stock shocks. Should be good with the 2" bump stop spacer.

Did they add to the ride height at all?

Also doesn't look like you added your super cool rear spacers on yet :p

[06JeepXKHEMI]

No it didn't add any lift measures 37" fender to ground but it idea a bit stiffer.. I traded my old ome shocks for quick disconnects, not sure of the brand haven't got them yet but if they work great. They are coming from an XJ so we will see... I havebt added the spacer yet no in due time I have to take the rear shock mount bolt out again so Maybe when I get back from my last second trip to Fla on Monday, get back Friday on my bday so we will see..

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[hoaxci5]

scavenger alert, if it doesn't work I know a guy that has an XJ :p

[Matt]

When you say they are "stiffer", is it significant? You think I should have fox tone down my shocks to 30/80 instead of 60/80?

[06JeepXKHEMI]

It's not that noticeable I prefer a stiffer ride so It's hard to say.. It s a great ride but a Tad less forgiving in the rear hitting bumps at speed.. I don't know enough about the difference between our shocks to say..

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[Matt]

Thanks man. I sent FOX another e-mail to see what they think. I'd prefer the ride to be a bit more forgiving on the road, then crank up the firmness with the CD adjuster for offroad.