View Full Version : Installed Monroe Load Leveling Shocks on Rear
Monroe Part Number 58646
Edit: CLICK HERE (http://www.theultimatejeep.com/showthread.php?697-Installed-Monroe-Load-Leveling-Shocks-on-Rear&p=19806&viewfull=1#post19806) to jump to post #125 where i install the longer version of these shocks (58643)
Notes:
1) These are designed for stock height vehicles. I have a 2" spacer lift. This matters because spring force is a function of deflection, and at normal ride height for my "lifted" XK, these "load leveling" shocks are working at 2" less deflection than they're designed for. There are two important results of this: A) Unloaded, my increase in ride height is LESS THAN what it would be on a non-lifted Jeep and B) My deflection from new ride height under a load will be MORE THAN it would be on a non-lifted jeep.
2) My XK only has 31k miles. My stock shocks are in excellent condition and still strong.
3) I'm running a full tank of gas for these measurements.
Result:
I'm happy with them. For $90 they did what I wanted them to do... get rid of my rear sag and help under load.
Measurements:(From ground to bottom of fender, centered on the hub)
Stock:
Front = 35.9 Rear = 35.75
Stock + Load:
Front = 36.0 Rear = 35.25 (Full 1/2" drop)
New Shocks:
Front = 35.9 Rear = 36.25 (Full 1/2" higher than stock)
New Shocks + Load:
Front = 36.0 Rear = 35.90 (Less than 1/2" drop and still taller than stock)
So you'll see that I gained a 1/2" when unloaded. Expect closer to an inch if you're not running a 2" spacer lift. Also under load it only dropped 1/3" with these new shocks... If these were on a stock vehicle I doubt it would have dropped at all under that load.
The load:
171 Pounds including the cargo carrier.
92 Pounds of the load was added weight to the very back of the cargo carrier to maximize the effect.
I'm looking forward to see how these things handle my friends 6000lb boat when we put it in the water next week.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/04/Load-1.jpg
Before & After Shot:
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/04/1Start-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/04/3Finish-1.jpg
Install:
You can replace shocks in under 10 minutes on these vehicles. All you need is a floor jack and a 15mm socket. It took me about 30 minutes total because I was taking pictures and measurements along the way AND took a tire off for the pics. You do not need to remove the tires to do this.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/04/Comparison-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/04/Install1-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/04/Install2-1.jpg
pjmjr508
04-13-2011, 04:47 PM
Nice
Sal-XK
04-13-2011, 06:07 PM
Nice mod man, that would come in handy for us that pack the crap out of our XK on trips and stuff.
Nice mod man, that would come in handy for us that pack the crap out of our XK on trips and stuff.
You know that YOU started this right? After calling me out in that pic i took when i went mountain biking, i thought it was just the angle of the pic. Next time i went riding i took some measurements and realized my rear was sagging with just the bike mount and my 25lb bike on it... From that moment on, i knew i had to do something
Sal-XK
04-13-2011, 06:15 PM
You know that YOU started this right? After calling me out in that pic i took when i went mountain biking, i thought it was just the angle of the pic. Next time i went riding i took some measurements and realized my rear was sagging with just the bike mount and my 25lb bike on it... From that moment on, i knew i had to do something
I thought of that when I read this thread LOL but I wasn't going to call you out again, angle of the PIC :) Looks good bro
So after a few days of driving around i'm EXTREMELY happy with these shocks.
I was expecting a stiff/harsh ride in the rear. That's not the case at all... granted having the 2" spacer kit on there is definitely helping with the ride quality because the leveling coils aren't compresses as much as they would be.
Ride is great. No more floaty/mushy suspension in the rear. When i hit the gas it doesn't "sink" down anymore so it feels more peppy off the line.
I may do some research to see if they make these in 1" or 2" longer version....
Sal-XK
04-15-2011, 10:33 PM
Let me know what you find out on the length. My shocks should be toast by the end of this summer I'm guessing.
Ok man here's what I found.
Part number 58646
Compressed Length = 15.16
Extended Length = 24.87
Travel = 9.15
Upper Mount = LS30
Lower Mount = LS38
Part number 58643
Compressed Length = 16.59
Extended Length = 27.55
Travel = 10.66
Upper Mount = LS38
Lower Mount = LS38
Mounts:
LS30:
Sleeve ID = 12MM
Sleeve Length = 1-7/8 (1.875)
LS38:
Sleeve ID = 1/2" (12.7MM)
Sleeve Length = 1-1/2 (1.50)
So it looks like that part number would work... but we'd have to use some washers to make up for the extra 3/8" width missing from the bushing sleeve between the LS30 and LS 38 mounts. I don't think the difference of the 12MM to 12.7MM ID will be an issue. That's only ~.3mm radial clearance... so a turn or two of duct tape would make up for that clearance difference.
The other option would be shock extenders for the lower mount... not sure if any are made for the Commander though; i've never actually run shock extenders before... always just got the shocks that fit
Hey sal. Wondering if you're thinking of giving that longer version a try. I've been thinking about trying them and selling mine.....
Sal-XK
04-25-2011, 07:19 AM
Hey sal. Wondering if you're thinking of giving that longer version a try. I've been thinking about trying them and selling mine.....
I will need to replace the springs and shocks this fall in the XK. So I am looking for a new heavy duty setup. I don't tow right now but I will be getting a boat but its pretty light. My rear sags bad when fully loaded for camping or the beach. Add some mods I'm thinking of and I will diffidently need help back there. Not sure what to go with yet but longer then stock is a must for me and it has to be the heavy duty stuff for all the weight.
I hear ya man. I wish I checked for that longer version before ordering the stock replacement. Wonder if one of the local guys would be interested in buying these off me and ill try the longer ones....
Sal-XK
04-28-2011, 06:53 PM
I just said this on the other site but man I'm impressed how little sag you had with that boat bro. Do you know what the tongue weight on that was? These are diffidently on my list for sure now.
Thanks man. Tongue weight is around 800 lbs. Guess i'll throw the pics up here too :)
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Sal-XK
04-28-2011, 07:13 PM
proofs in the pudding bro. That much weight that far behind my axle would put my bumper on the ground I like it.
Hell, before these shocks my XK sagged more than that with my 25 lb bike on the back!! lol
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/03/3182011003-1.jpg
Sal-XK
04-28-2011, 07:32 PM
You sure I think it's just the angle of the picture LMAO
IamJEEP
04-29-2011, 03:58 AM
You sure I think it's just the angle of the picture LMAO
You're not right, bro. LOL....
You sure I think it's just the angle of the picture LMAO
I deserve every little bit of that! hahahaha.
Sal-XK
04-29-2011, 06:00 AM
I couldn't resist man. On a serious note though for the price of these shocks they did an amazing job.
They did do an AMAZING job.
Let's put it this way... i might not want the longer ones anymore. There were 2 main reasons I wanted to get the longer shocks
1) More travel offroad (this point is still valid)
2) I was nervous that there wouldn't be enough force due to the 2" RC spacer and that my rear would drag under a heavy load. For those who don't follow what i mean here... a quick explanation: spring force is a function of deflection (compression in this case). If these shocks were installed on a stock Commander, they would compress 2" further than they do on my lifted Commander. So, the starting spring force would be higher at "normal" ride height, which means it would take more force to compress them even further. The compromise, the ride would stiffen up some...
I now see that #2 isn't really valid anymore... so my only "real" reason would be to get for flex for offroad. Well, and i would like the rear a bit higher still... but not sure if its enough to justify buying another set. I guess if someone wants these i'll still get the longer ones, but im not in any rush for them now :)
Sal-XK
04-29-2011, 11:48 AM
Point one you made is important to me. I will have to try the longer ones for sure.
Sal-XK
04-29-2011, 02:08 PM
Where did you order these from?
IamJEEP
04-29-2011, 05:47 PM
Amazon
I love Amazon! In fact, I just finished ordering some more XK goodies.
Lt_JWS
05-05-2011, 06:21 PM
Was it $90 for both or just one?
Was it $90 for both or just one?
It's $90 for both. Can't beat that!
Lt_JWS
05-05-2011, 06:33 PM
It's $90 for both. Can't beat that!
No doubt! I'll have to look into a set, Mine are getting weak at 83K ;)
Lt_JWS
05-05-2011, 06:47 PM
Where are you from?
VA
Sal-XK
07-13-2011, 03:33 PM
Hey bro getting ready to pull the trigger on the longer ones here just wanted to get some final feed back from you. Still happy with them? Still think the longer ones are the way to go? I can't wait until fall to get this done my rear dropped bad this last trip over the holiday and my front end felt light the entire trip to the beach and back. I have the shocks pulled up on amazon already so let me know bro.
Lets put it this way... if i was to order a set right now, it'd be the longer ones. I can't 100% guarantee that they'll work, but im pretty sure they will... Should probably consider some limiting straps as well if you're running rear discos.
Remember, during my gas tank install/mod I found that the spring begins to un-seat at an eye-to-eye length of 26.5" (if using a spacer lift... spring lift like OME would be different):
https://theultimatejeep.com/notfound.png
So being that the extended length of the longer Monroe's are 27.5", you may want to test them out at full flex in your driveway first to double check brake lines and to make sure your spring can't un-seat given your setup. I know if i was ordering them today, i'd also be ordering a set of 26.5" limiting straps since that extra inch would be enough for me to potentially lose a spring.
Sal-XK
07-13-2011, 06:31 PM
If I leave the rear sway bar connected I think I will be good for now what you think?
That's a good question... i dont think i ever measured my eye-to-eye length with the sway bar connected. The only time I did that was with the stock shocks and found out that the stock shocks will still max out with the sway bar connected; hence disconnecting the sway bar with the stock shocks really doesn't do much.
Sal-XK
07-13-2011, 06:49 PM
I guess maybe I will have to be the guinea pig so to speak then.
Sal-XK
07-13-2011, 06:54 PM
I'm guessing the mounting option isn't stock so do you thing just a few washers will get the job done.
Exactly.
The lower mount is the same as stock... no issues there.
The metal sleeve for the upper mount is about 3/8" shorter than the stock sleeve... so a few washers to make up the difference should be all it takes. The bolt size is basically the same... stock ID is 12mm and longer shocks have a 12.7mm ID. So that's only .7mm, which is .027" (1/32" is .031). So yeah... that shouldn't matter at all.
OR, maybe you can take the bushing/sleeve off the stock shock and put that in the Monroe... id have to see it first hand to determine if that would work though. Some washers might just be easier.
Sal-XK
07-13-2011, 07:11 PM
Amazon don't take paypale? I don't see the option so now I have to run out to my jeep to get my card PITA.
Guess not...
I have my card on file. Got a full year of Amazon Prime for free (sort of).
Sal-XK
07-13-2011, 08:00 PM
Well I placed the order I'll have to install them the day they arrive to because I'm heading to the beach next weekend. So I'll be putting them to the test immediately and will know real fast how much load these things can handle. The last trip had the front end feeling light and I'll have more stuff on this trip so I'm hoping this solves my issue.
Good stuff man!
Make sure you take some good before and after measurements... both loaded and unloaded.
Sal-XK
07-13-2011, 08:08 PM
Ya that's a good idea I just have to remember to do it.
I know that loading it down can be a bit of a PITA... but id like to at least know the height increase in the rear when un-loaded. I gained 1/2" with the OEM replacements... would have like 1-1.5" though. So if that's what you get, i'll be more inclined to swap mine out sooner than later.
IamJEEP
07-14-2011, 08:26 AM
Yo Matt, if you decide to sell your Monroes and get the longer ones let me know. I need new shocks and struts soon, so i could most likely buy yours if you are up to it.
IamJEEP
07-14-2011, 02:18 PM
How many miles do you have on them?
Sal-XK
07-14-2011, 02:28 PM
How many miles do you have on them?
Does it matter bro he just got them LOL $70 shipped you're saving at least $40 on them. :) https://theultimatejeep.com/notfound.png
Well... i installed them 3 months ago and i put about 13,000-14,000 miles on per year... So somewhere between 3000 and 3500 miles.
IamJEEP
07-14-2011, 03:02 PM
Yeah thats not a lot....... I will take them, mght have to wait for payday tho.
IamJEEP
07-14-2011, 03:04 PM
Does it matter bro he just got them LOL $70 shipped you're saving at least $40 on them. :) https://theultimatejeep.com/notfound.png
Uhm, this is an A and B conversation.....So, C your way out of it!
LOL, where have you've been? Hardly see you post lately, makes it knda quiet around here.
Sal-XK
07-14-2011, 03:11 PM
hahahah I've been slammed at work plus my wife's sister and her family and my wife's parents came down. The sister left but her brother will be here next week as well now. So ya I've been burning about 3hrs of sleep a night then going to work so just a tad bit busy LOL.
IamJEEP
07-14-2011, 03:42 PM
LOL, yep in-laws will wear you out (in a good or bad way). Damn, you have enough room for all those people? i would have to sleep on the floor over here if all them came over, LOL...
Yeah thats not a lot....... I will take them, mght have to wait for payday tho.
no prob... id like to see how they work out for sal first too
Sal-XK
07-14-2011, 04:03 PM
no prob... id like to see how they work out for sal first too
They shipped today and I paid for two day shipping but I'm guessing Saturday and Sunday don't count as a business day.
IamJEEP
07-14-2011, 04:24 PM
They shipped today and I paid for two day shipping but I'm guessing Saturday and Sunday don't count as a business day.
Usually they don't but I get UPS/USPS deliveries on Sat's most of the time, so cross your fingers.
IamJEEP
07-14-2011, 04:25 PM
no prob... id like to see how they work out for sal first too
No problem.
Actually that last estimate was high... doing my wifes Liberty maintenance today and saw that the XK had (almost exactly) 30k miles on it in Feb when i did the last oil change. I now have just under 34,000 miles, so im averaging ~800 miles/month... I'm definitely under 2500 miles on these shocks.
Man, i'm doing pretty good keeping my mileage down :cool:
When this was my wifes DD she has a 45 mile round trip to work... now that its my DD and I only have ~25 mile round trip, i'm definitely saving on the mileage!
Sal-XK
07-19-2011, 07:45 AM
Ok I got the shocks installed. First problem is putting longer shocks on I had to disconnect the sway bar to get the axle to drop enough which worked great and easy enough done except the driver side upper control arm hitting the fuel tank skid stopped me on that side. Some prying and pushing got the shock in. I will take more measurements when I'm loaded for the beach this weekend but here are the first ones.
Measurements are from the center of the hub or wheel to the bottom of the fender.
Stock: Empty jeep 1/2 fuel 21 1/16
Stock: Empty jeep and fuel 21 3/16
Monroe's: Empty Jeep and fuel 22 3/4
The funny part was getting out of my garage I put my hitch basket on and two large cooler full of water and my wife's dad on there and still only dropped enough to scrap out the door. Other then that it was a straight forward easy as can be upgrade. I'm on my way out to lowes to get some parts to drop my basket closer to the roof which will be another thread. Oh forgot on the top I added three washers to pick up the difference in size I just used barring grease to hold the washers in place while I put the shock in.
I should note that with the extra length of the longer shocks being matched up to the lifted rear axle puts that shock right into the sweep spot or proper operating range.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/07/photo2525201JPG-1.jpg
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Wow... awesome man. Lol don't you wish you cut the gas tank now???
I may have to order these... based on your measurements I'd expect my rear to come up another inch, so I'd be right at 36" front and 37.25" rear when unloaded.... and will probably never sag lower than the front even when loaded.
How's the ride? Mine firmed up but was not "jolting" at all...is still very comfortable.
IamJEEP
07-19-2011, 08:29 AM
Is your front sagging? LMCAO!!!!!
Looks like a great upgrade to invest in for those who load down the rear.
Sal-XK
07-19-2011, 10:20 AM
Just got back home and the ride is perfect so far. It did firm up but not jerky at all. In fact it handled the curves a lot better and I am very happy with it. Now I'm working on custom cross bars to drop my basket so I can get back in the garage LOL.
Lol awesome.
What's the difference in front vs wear measurements now when you're unloaded?
Oh. .. and how'd the passenger side look while fully extended for the install? Think limiting straps will be needed if they're run with sway bar disconnected offroading?
cico7
07-19-2011, 12:13 PM
Just got back home and the ride is perfect so far. It did firm up but not jerky at all. In fact it handled the curves a lot better and I am very happy with it. Now I'm working on custom cross bars to drop my basket so I can get back in the garage LOL.
Is there a front end version of these shocks?
Is there a front end version of these shocks?
No.
Well....technically yes, but they're already installed from the factory. Our struts are springs/shocks all in one. We don't have stand alone shock absorbers for the front.
Or are you talking about a replacement strut for the front? Monroe part number 71377 is their OE replacement strut. They do not sell a combined strut/spring combo for increased capacity in the front. (You could get the replacement strut and install OME HD coils though).
Sal-XK
07-19-2011, 04:29 PM
Oh. .. and how'd the passenger side look while fully extended for the install? Think limiting straps will be needed if they're run with sway bar disconnected offroading?
The brake line was tight on the passenger side with the sway bar disconnected I think it would be fine for off road use but its close. Obviously the driver side is no issue thanks to the awesome design of the fuel tank skid plate :( what a PITA. I will say the diff between disconnecting the bar is huge. The axle dropped at least another 4" when I let the jack go. :)
The driver side would be an issue for me :p
Sal-XK
07-19-2011, 05:13 PM
The driver side would be an issue for me :p
Ya I thought about knocking that out while I was doing the shocks but I was already soaking wet and still needed to do the roof basket so I'll just get it another day :(
IamJEEP
07-19-2011, 06:42 PM
No.
Well....technically yes, but they're already installed from the factory. Our struts are springs/shocks all in one. We don't have stand alone shock absorbers for the front.
Or are you talking about a replacement strut for the front? Monroe part number 71377 is their OE replacement strut. They do not sell a combined strut/spring combo for increased capacity in the front. (You could get the replacement strut and install OME HD coils though).
On the OME springs.......are they stock hight or the 3" coils? What if you are running a BB lift already.
I want to firm up the ride a bit but not rock hard. Right now it feels like a Caddy floating around on water......ok, not that bad. Lol...
The OME are lift springs.
If you want to firm up the ride, get the Bilstein strut replacements and these load levelers for the rear and you'll be set. (Or you could remove the spacers and install the OME lift springs instead)
Edit:
Actually, try these shocks in the rear first before changing anything up front. After i installed mine the ride greatly improved... no more "floaty" feel. And when you hit the gas when the light turns green, the rear doesnt squat down before moving forward anymore lol.
Sal-XK
07-19-2011, 06:54 PM
Same here hit the gas the XK just took off no sagging first it actually felt faster that way LOL. These improved the ride in several subtle ways and I cant wait to put some load on them. It does have me thinking about some OME HD springs now :) and some nice struts for the front.
Wait for the JBA coilovers for the front ;)
Sal-XK
07-19-2011, 06:57 PM
Wait for the JBA coilovers for the front ;)
That's what I was thinking I'm just scared to see the price on those :)
That's what I was thinking I'm just scared to see the price on those :)
If the price is ridiculous, i'll be going OME HD all around and then throwing my RC spacers back on when i get the 4" SL https://theultimatejeep.com/notfound.png
IamJEEP
07-19-2011, 07:07 PM
I bet they will be in the $1200 range.
So Matt, when are you upgrading to longer monroes? LOL...
So Matt, when are you upgrading to longer monroes? LOL...
Depends... when are you paypal'ing me $70?
IamJEEP
07-19-2011, 07:16 PM
Depends... when are you paypal'ing me $70?
Friday...............payday.
So i just took some measurements of my jeep...
When i first installed these load levers i was at:
Front: 35.9
Rear: 36.25 (up 1/2" from stock)
I'm an NOW at
Front: 35.25 (down 1/2" from previous measurement)
Rear: 36.25
It looks like I lost about 1/2" up front after installing the 4xG Matrix, those massive lights and the front skid..
Based on Sal's measurements i'd probably gain another 1" in the rear... so that'd put my rear 2" higher than my front... might be a bit much. I may have to hold off until I upgrade my front springs https://theultimatejeep.com/notfound.png
IamJEEP
07-19-2011, 07:34 PM
No problem homie, i dont want to go higher just stiffen the ride a bit.
I hear ya man... im just kind of bummed my front came down that much; im going in the opposite direction than i want! (another reason that coilovers would be nice, but at least the OME HD springs would have resisted deflecting under the increased weight up front..)
Sal-XK
07-19-2011, 07:39 PM
There are some benefits to being higher in the rear. 1 you can see better off road 2. your lights won't blind everyone 3 It will take a lot of weight just to make you level again let lone sag. 4 your departure angle is improved. Thats all I got right now
Sal, i completely agree... i like the rear higher than the front... but 2" (or possibly more) higher is a bit much. I generally like the rear right around 1" higher.
Gotta check and see it was stock... i have those pics somewhere...
Edit: found it. Stock i was 32.25 front and 33.25 rear...
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/07/RCKit001-1.jpg
Maybe tomorrow I'll throw a floor jack under my hitch to bring the rear up to 37.25 to see how it looks... but i think its going to be a bit much
Sal-XK
07-19-2011, 07:45 PM
I can deal with a front rake I guess I would be going OCD if I was dealing with a sag in the back. I didn't think the matrix and skids where that heavy your struts might be worn out as well now what you think
For example... you're at about 1.5" higher in the rear. Granted I know your driveway isn't level, i'd more than likely be at least 1/2" higher than this in the rear.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/07/photo2525204JPG-1.jpg
I wouldn't want any more rake than you have in that pic.
I know my springs aren't worn, only has 33k miles on the XK. The front guard is pretty heavy, in combination with the 4xG matrix (which isn't heavy, but isn't exactly light) and the Rallye 4000s add quite a bit of weight as well (maybe almost doubling the Matrix weight, they're all steel casings)... i can see where I lost 1/2" with the soft stock springs.
Sal-XK
07-19-2011, 07:51 PM
So your shocks didn't settle at all there holding right where they were when installed? I agree I think I'm at my limit for front rake but you're right that driveway pic is very deceiving.
This isn't a great photo but its on level ground pretty much.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/07/100_4956JPG-1.jpg
Yeah... they haven't settled in the rear at all. I was actually expecting them too.
That pic in your garage looks good. But yeah, i wouldn't want to go another 1/2" or more above that.
Holaday07 4.7
07-27-2011, 05:55 AM
I bought a spacer from Robby off the other forum to fix the nose down look, I hate it personally and would much rater have the bullydog look on the XK. I put about 800lbs of Granite scraps in the back yesterday. Holy Sh*t did it handle poorly. Back felt all over the place on turns, and on the highway it felt really loose.
Sal-XK
07-27-2011, 07:36 AM
Time for some load leveling shocks :)
Holaday07 4.7
07-27-2011, 07:46 AM
Time for some load leveling shocks :)
Probably a good idea, I just dont want to raise the back end at all though, so maybe the size matt got?
Aggie07
07-29-2011, 06:20 AM
Hey guys. Just came over from the "other forum" after reading the posts here. Seems to be a lot more off road enthusiasts here!
I currently have the Bilstein 5150's on my 06 and they are shot. I saw this thread and the the Monroe load leveling shocks look like they could be a good option.
So my question is which one would you recommend, the stock ones (part number 58646) or the longer ones that Sal has?
I read the information on both and it looks like the ones specifically for the Commander have a spring rate of 37. The longer ones are for an F150 and have a spring rate of 60. Just wondering if they would be too stiff. What are your thoughts?
Thanks!
Holaday07 4.7
07-29-2011, 06:33 AM
Welcome to the forum man, these guys have a wealth of information.
Aggie07
07-29-2011, 06:43 AM
Welcome to the forum man, these guys have a wealth of information.
Thanks!
I should mention that I do have a 2" lift right now on the Commander. Need a shock that will allow for proper travel.
Probably a good idea, I just dont want to raise the back end at all though, so maybe the size matt got?
Yeah if you don't want to raise the rear much.... get the OEM replacements like I got. As you can see, they get the job done quite well.
Hey guys. Just came over from the "other forum" after reading the posts here. Seems to be a lot more off road enthusiasts here!
I currently have the Bilstein 5150's on my 06 and they are shot. I saw this thread and the the Monroe load leveling shocks look like they could be a good option.
So my question is which one would you recommend, the stock ones (part number 58646) or the longer ones that Sal has?
I read the information on both and it looks like the ones specifically for the Commander have a spring rate of 37. The longer ones are for an F150 and have a spring rate of 60. Just wondering if they would be too stiff. What are your thoughts?
Thanks!
Welcome aboard man!
Are you lifted at all or stock height? If stock, definitely get the OEMs. If lifted, you can go either way..... as far as ride quality is concerned I can tell you that the OEM replacements are no issue. I haven't tried the longer version yet so I'm not sure how much stiffer they make it. BUT something to keep in mind is that F150s and XKs have about the same curb weight, and the XK has a lot more weight over the rear axle (unless they're loaded to max capacity.... and even then its close). So I wouldn't let the spring rate scare ya. :)
Lol just saw your post... must have posted while I was typing (slowly on my phone)
For 2" its going to come down to whether or not you'll mind having the rear about 1-1.5" higher than the front. If you want to stay a bit more level, don't get the longer ones.
Aggie07
07-29-2011, 07:09 AM
Lol just saw your post... must have posted while I was typing (slowly on my phone)
For 2" its going to come down to whether or not you'll mind having the rear about 1-1.5" higher than the front. If you want to stay a bit more level, don't get the longer ones.
Wow, thanks for the quick reply!
Do you think the stock ones will allow for enough travel when off road? Also, I noticed Sal mention with the longer ones he had to put a LOT of weight on the rear to even get out of his garage. I still have room to go up and still fit into my garage, so that is not a problem. Just wondering how stiff his rides while empty in the back?
With the OME HD springs in the rear the suspension is already stiffened up quite a bit (in a good way). Now I just need to get rid of the bouncy feeling from my current shocks.
CmmdrDan
07-29-2011, 07:14 AM
Matt when you get ready for the new ones. Id like to take the old ones off your hands.
Sal-XK
07-29-2011, 07:34 AM
I like the empty ride I got from these shocks I think it stiffened them up to a comfortable level. Going over bumps dips and off road has no become more comfortable then ever before. Of course fully loaded and I mean 1200LBS loaded the XK drove and reacted great. This is one of those mods I wished I would of done a long time ago. They also allow the rear to flex to it's max with the sway bar disconnected it flexes just short of messing with the brake lines on the passenger side and puts the upper arm on the fuel tank skid on the driver side.
Wow, thanks for the quick reply!
Do you think the stock ones will allow for enough travel when off road? Also, I noticed Sal mention with the longer ones he had to put a LOT of weight on the rear to even get out of his garage. I still have room to go up and still fit into my garage, so that is not a problem. Just wondering how stiff his rides while empty in the back?
With the OME HD springs in the rear the suspension is already stiffened up quite a bit (in a good way). Now I just need to get rid of the bouncy feeling from my current shocks.
So you're not looking for increasing the height or stopping the rear from sagging since you have the OME HD springs right? If that's the case and you just want to improve the ride and increase travel, you may be better off with the 2" longer OME shocks.
What's your front setup like? OME HD springs And struts?
Matt when you get ready for the new ones. Id like to take the old ones off your hands.
If I get the longer ones it'll only be because I'm trading the OEM replacements to a local WK owner who is "trying" the longer ones but worried about ride. He asked me if we could do a trade if they're too stiff.
Aggie07
07-29-2011, 07:58 AM
So you're not looking for increasing the height or stopping the rear from sagging since you have the OME HD springs right? If that's the case and you just want to improve the ride and increase travel, you may be better off with the 2" longer OME shocks.
What's your front setup like? OME HD springs And struts?
The front set up is Rocky Road spacer and Bilstein struts.
No I am not looking to increase ride height, but I wouldn't say I'm trying to avoid it either. Meaning, if the load leveling shocks increased it slightly I am OK with that. Right now I sit at 36 1/2" in the rear.
I looked into the OME shocks and those would be great. Started thinking about the Monroe shocks when I saw you guys had installed them. Plus, I can get 2 Monroe shocks for the price of 1 OME shock. :)
Thanks for the input Sal. If I go with these I think I will definitely get the longer ones.
One thing to remember is that Sal and I have the (soft) stock springs. So the long version of these load levellers coupled with the OME HD springs will result in lifting the rear even higher than Sals since you will reach equilibrium sooner due to the higher spring rate in the OMEs.
In other words, if you only want a "slight" increase (probably 1") you'd want the stock replacements..... the longer ones are going to raise your rear more than Sals, which is quite a bit more than a "slight" increase.
Aggie07
07-29-2011, 08:12 AM
Good point. Well, as much as I would like to save money I may have to shell out for the Old Man Emu shocks, or just go ahead and give the OEM ones a try.
I wonder what the return policy is at Advance? Lol
NeilSmith
07-30-2011, 02:46 PM
I think I'm going to get these. My shocks are fine I think, they are a little squishy feeling. But the main thing is that when its loaded down it squats too much for my tastes. Here is a pic with oem shocks and struts, 2" RC lift, loaded down ready to head to the beach. But there aren't even any people in it yet !
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/07/039-1.jpg
Sal-XK
07-30-2011, 03:49 PM
Yup these will straighten that right up for you.
NeilSmith
07-30-2011, 04:14 PM
I guess the " stock " replacements instead of the longer ones ? I dont want to raise the rear much and get the rake bake to it.
I guess the " stock " replacements instead of the longer ones ? I dont want to raise the rear much and get the rake bake to it.
Worked great for me. :)
Sal-XK
07-30-2011, 05:05 PM
Seeing Matt's XK with that boat on it with these shocks was the deciding point for me.
Sal-XK
08-08-2011, 07:32 PM
Checked to see if the shocks have settled but I don't think they have 22 1/2 right now with 3/4 fuel. I started at 22 3/4 with empty tank so just a 1/4 inch lower with all the extra fuel I'll check once this tank is empty, just give a second I'll drive around the block once that should do it LMAO
Stock: Empty jeep 1/2 fuel 21 1/16
Stock: Empty jeep and fuel 21 3/16
Monroe's: Empty Jeep and fuel 22 3/4
Monroe's: Empty Jeep 3/4 tank 22 1/2
cico7
08-09-2011, 05:16 AM
So , i am still kinda confused. With a 2" lift, the OEM replacements will lift the rear about 1/2". With the longer replacements, the rear will raise about
1 1/2". Is the is correct?
Next with a load, both will drop the same amount?
So , i am still kinda confused. With a 2" lift, the OEM replacements will lift the rear about 1/2".
Yes
So , i am still kinda confused. With a 2" lift, With the longer replacements, the rear will raise about
1 1/2".
Yes
Next with a load, both will drop the same amount?
No
Given an equal load, the longer version will drop the rear less because they are starting with more pre-load.
Think of it this way, you have two springs there now. For you to reach the same height as the OEM replacements you'd have to add enough load to drop the rear down 1". If you added that same load to the vehicle with the OEM replacements it would also deflect. So the truck with the longer Monroe's will still be taller.
cico7
08-09-2011, 06:26 AM
If you added that same load to the vehicle with the OEM replacements it would also deflect. So the truck with the longer Monroe's will still be taller.
I understand it would be taller but are both going to drop the same amount? If you put 500 on both, do both drop 1/4"(example)
I understand it would be taller but are both going to drop the same amount? If you put 500 on both, do both drop 1/4"(example)
Ah.... now that's a damn good question.
Off the top of my head, I would guess that the longer shocks would deflect a little more than the OEM version in this case. Not sure how much... but it'd probably be minimal.
See the coil built into the shock isn't very strong. The reason it lifts the rear is simply by taking some load off of the main suspension coil. Since the vehicle with the OEM replacements is being supported primarily by the suspension coil, which has a higher spring rate, there may be less overall deflection there.
If I knew the actual spring rates and lengths of all the coils involved I'd be able to tell you with more certainty.
What I can tell you for certain is that once the longer version is loaded down enough to match the ride height of the unloaded OEM version, you'd need considerably more weight added to get the rear to "sag" since spring force is a function of displacement... and that longer coil has been displaced a significant amount to match the height of the OEM replacement which, by the way, has to compress another 2" to get to the force it was "designed" to be used at (since our 2" spacer lift extends the shocks 2" further than normal)
I may have to hold off until I upgrade my front springs https://theultimatejeep.com/notfound.png
No problem homie, i dont want to go higher just stiffen the ride a bit.
Hey man... now that im upgrading my front springs, you still interested in these shocks? :)
IamJEEP
09-16-2011, 07:50 AM
Hey man... now that im upgrading my front springs, you still interested in these shocks? :)
Yes, but I will have to fit them into my spending budget. What kinda time frame we talking here?
Whenever you get around to it. I have my stock shocks I can throw on until the longer ones come... so you say the word, they'll be off & shipped the next day and i'll order the longer ones when i get a chance
IamJEEP
09-16-2011, 10:01 AM
Ok, I'll let you know.
Sal-XK
09-16-2011, 05:32 PM
Well, to keep being honest with my fellow jeepers and I will never sugar coat a part no matter who or how I got it from or ended up using them. I will post a little bit of my review here. Monroe customer service is pitiful I have sent to messages threw there online form and still have not received a reply. Matt and I figured out that my rubber sleeve has slipped to the bottom of the shock and caused my spring to rub the actual shock body making an awe full squeaking sound in the back. I added a washer to them and some marine grade grease to the spring to shut it up. Now I have to take the messed one up apart and epoxy the boot back in place. Other then those two issues they are working great for me.
I'll probably throw some epoxy on mine before i install them, just to make sure those rubber sleeves stay in place.
For those wondering what we're talking about, you can see the rubber sleeve in the picture below. It basically prevents metal-on-metal contact between the coil spring and the shock body. Sal's slid down to the bottom and caused some noise.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/04/Install2-1.jpg
Luckily, taking the spring off is EASY. The spring seats on the top cap, shown on the right in the pic below, has a slot in it. So you simply compress the spring slightly by and and slide the cap off because the slot is wide enough to clear the piston, then the coil spring just slides up and off. R&R is maybe 5 minutes.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/04/Comparison-1.jpg
cico7
09-27-2011, 07:02 AM
I just ordered a set of these from Amazon. About $96. for the pair.
Hope I learn from your comments.
Budasac
09-27-2011, 08:28 AM
Well, to keep being honest with my fellow jeepers and I will never sugar coat a part no matter who or how I got it from or ended up using them. I will post a little bit of my review here. Monroe customer service is pitiful I have sent to messages threw there online form and still have not received a reply. Matt and I figured out that my rubber sleeve has slipped to the bottom of the shock and caused my spring to rub the actual shock body making an awe full squeaking sound in the back. I added a washer to them and some marine grade grease to the spring to shut it up. Now I have to take the messed one up apart and epoxy the boot back in place. Other then those two issues they are working great for me.
Glad I went back in and read through this. I have been getting a horrible squeek from the rear drivers side lately. Just ran out to check and sure enough, the boot on the drivers side slid all the way down to the bottom. At least now I know what it is. Was really annoying me but I haven't had the time to diagnose it.
Budasac
09-27-2011, 08:34 AM
I just ordered a set of these from Amazon. About $96. for the pair.
Hope I learn from your comments.
Did you get the stock length or longer? If longer I have a little tip. I used a ratchet strap to compress the shock about 2" before installing. Makes the install much easier since then you don't have to fight the spring.
Sal-XK
09-27-2011, 01:34 PM
I still haven't fix the boot problem the grease and extra washer shut mine up so I'm happy for now next time I'm rotating tires or something I'll R&R the shock.
Hey guys... I installed the longer version of the load levelers today. These things are perfect.
FYI, they actually measure 27.25" eye-to-eye. I found that at this length, i can disconnect the sway bar and get max flex offroad without over extending brake lines. My coils come loose, but they can not fall out.
Pictures are uploading.. give me a minute, i have some good info about the install that'll come in handy :)
I highly recommend you have a superhero watching over your install ...
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029124013-1.jpg
Here's the difference between the OEM and F150 versions:
Length, obviously... 27.25 eye to eye with the F150s
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029124029-1.jpg
Then these show how the UPPER mount of the F150s is thinner... this is why we need to use washers up top:
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029124048-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029124127-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029124127-1.jpg
Because of some issues that Sal had, I decided to use some Gorilla Glue around the bottom of the rubber sleeve. I applied the glue like a fillet weld, then wrapped it tightly with electrical tape to get create a solid bond that'll prevent the sleeve from sliding down.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029130752-1.jpg
For the drivers side, having my gas tank trimmed helped because at full extension, even the F150 version wasn't long enough... so install was a breeze, just had to jack the rear up until the holes aligned. If you don't have your gas tank trimmed, this is a bit more challenging ;)
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029124623-1.jpg
With the shocks bolted up and the rear hanging at max extension, my lines were not over stretched and there's no chance for my coil spring to fall out:
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029125304-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029125327-1.jpg
For the washers, at first i installed them on the outside... but didn't like how close the coil spring cap on the shock came to the body. So i moved the washers to the inside for more clearance.
Outside washer position:
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029124806-1.jpg
Inside washer position:
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029125227-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029125246-1.jpg
DONE
Net result = ~.75" taller than the OEM load levelers
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029133531-1.jpg
And i still barely fit in the garage...
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/10/20111029133108-1.jpg
CmmdrDan
10-29-2011, 11:16 AM
WHat are you doing with the old ones?
WHat are you doing with the old ones?
If Caleb (right? IamJEEP) doesn't want them... do you?
CmmdrDan
10-29-2011, 11:27 AM
What's the asking price? I'm sure mia will kill me if I order anything.
Sal-XK
10-29-2011, 01:54 PM
Looking good man. I put my washers on the inside as well. I haven't had any more issues sinse I covered mine in grease LOL. I still need to do the fuel tank mod myself.
NeilSmith
10-29-2011, 02:28 PM
70 shipped
How old are they ? I may take em for $70 shipped.
6 months old... 4-5000 miles. No offroading done with them.
criket
10-30-2011, 06:53 AM
WHat are you doing with the old ones?
What are you going to do Dan? Make a thread about some great mod you are going to do and tease us for 2 days just to find out that it's used shocks?
HAHA, just kidding man.
LMAO that's just wrong... on so many levels... but classic!
CmmdrDan
10-30-2011, 07:26 AM
But see I will always be remembered for that!
IamJEEP
10-30-2011, 09:22 AM
Nice work on the install, Matt.
I'll have to pass on the shocks bro, trying to get a house so everything ($$$) is on hold till then.
Someone needs to buy these, thats a great price shipped!
I hear ya man!
Dan, Neil??? I can box them up and ship them out on my way home from work tomorrow :)
NeilSmith
10-30-2011, 09:31 AM
I will get with you sometime today gotta run it by my financial adviser.
GeeEssFore
01-12-2012, 12:58 PM
What's the rear sitting at now? Mine with RC sits 36.5 front and 36 rear. I want to get an inch more in rear but don't know if I should do oem or f150 style.
Sal-XK
01-12-2012, 03:21 PM
What's the rear sitting at now? Mine with RC sits 36.5 front and 36 rear. I want to get an inch more in rear but don't know if I should do oem or f150 style.
The OEM replacement gained a 1/2 and the F150 one get 1" and up. With the spacer lift I think that's right.
What's the rear sitting at now? Mine with RC sits 36.5 front and 36 rear. I want to get an inch more in rear but don't know if I should do oem or f150 style.
With my RC spacer lift, the OEM load levelers gained .5" over stock and the F150 version gave me 1.25" over stock. If i were you, i'd get the F150 version.
GeeEssFore
01-12-2012, 07:32 PM
Thanks that's exactly what I needed. Really wanted advice from someone that has them installed
cico7
01-29-2012, 09:29 PM
I jacked the wheel up.
Did you get the stock length or longer? If longer I have a little tip. I used a ratchet strap to compress the shock about 2" before installing. Makes the install much easier since then you don't have to fight the spring.
DetroitMarauder
02-15-2012, 09:46 AM
Matt, it looks like you used 3 washers on each shock is that right? What size did you use?
Yeah, 3 washers. Not sure of the size.... I have a drawer full of washers/nuts/bolts/etc so I just found one the fit nicely on the shock bolt and went with it.
Budasac
02-15-2012, 10:10 PM
Matt, it looks like you used 3 washers on each shock is that right? What size did you use?
Yeah, 3 washers. Not sure of the size.... I have a drawer full of washers/nuts/bolts/etc so I just found one the fit nicely on the shock bolt and went with it.
I just went to Home Depot and guessed. I bought 3 different sizes and was going to return what I didn't use but ended up throwing them in the tool box. I'm sure I'll need them eventually.
hoaxci5
02-15-2012, 10:46 PM
^^ I did the same, but I THINK they were 1/2 diameter hole so I used 1/2" x 1" or however washers are measured..
That makes sense since the shock mounts have 1/2" (12 and 12.7mm) mounts. So I probably used some 1/2" fender washers
DetroitMarauder
02-16-2012, 05:45 AM
Great, thanks guys.
Sal-XK
02-16-2012, 01:42 PM
Just FYI for doing mods and stuff like this $25 at autozone you can get a grade 5 hardware kit. I carry it with me when on the trails and I'm always using it for mods in fact I just about need to buy another one. They also have a standard kit for about the same price I though about getting this as well for mounting stuff like lights. The grade 5 hardware doesn't rust either :)
bncrshr77
05-14-2012, 01:08 AM
Ok, I have an 06 with the Hemi and 3rd row seats. I'm planning on the 2" OME HD completer kit that comes with shocks. Would you try to get the kit minus the rear shocks and use the Monroe load leveling shocks instead? If so, the shorter or longer ones? My jeep will be used for road trips so I will have a good amount of weight in it and might occasionally pull a trailer. Thanks.
Don't get the OME rear shocks.
If you're planning on offroading and want to maximize travel, go with the longer shocks. Otherwise the stock version will work for you and wont lift the back much higher than the front.
NeilSmith
05-14-2012, 04:39 AM
Ok, I have an 06 with the Hemi and 3rd row seats. I'm planning on the 2" OME HD completer kit that comes with shocks. Would you try to get the kit minus the rear shocks and use the Monroe load leveling shocks instead? If so, the shorter or longer ones? My jeep will be used for road trips so I will have a good amount of weight in it and might occasionally pull a trailer. Thanks.
I have the load levelers. I didnt get the longer ones, didnt need to do that. The oem replacements should be fine for you and they will really help out with supporting the load. Im going camping this wkend and i will take a pic and post it along with a pic from last year with oem shocks, same loadout. Im interested to see the difference myself.
bncrshr77
05-14-2012, 05:51 AM
Thanks for the replies! It's great to be on a forum where members actually answer your questions! Yeah, I don't want the rear end lifted too much so I will go with the stock length... Can't wait to see the pics!
madrock
05-14-2012, 06:09 AM
Can the longer Monroe shocks work with a stock rear? My stock XK has that rake look that I hate. If I lift the front, can I use the longer rear shocks to lift the rear just a bit?
Can the longer Monroe shocks work with a stock rear? My stock XK has that rake look that I hate. If I lift the front, can I use the longer rear shocks to lift the rear just a bit?
I'm a bit confused on what you're asking.... You hate the rake, but want to use the load levellers to get the rake back after you lift the front?
The longer version will lift the rear a lot on a stock vehicle and I wouldn't recommend those unless you're running a 2" lift already. A popular setup has been 1/4" strut spacers in front (lifts front ~1/2") and the oem version of the load levellers in the rear (gives ~3/4 lift). Its a slight boost in height along with a bit more tire clearance and less sag when loaded/towing.
madrock
05-14-2012, 08:48 AM
I'm a bit confused on what you're asking.... You hate the rake, but want to use the load levellers to get the rake back after you lift the front?
The longer version will lift the rear a lot on a stock vehicle and I wouldn't recommend those unless you're running a 2" lift already. A popular setup has been 1/4" strut spacers in front (lifts front ~1/2") and the oem version of the load levellers in the rear (gives ~3/4 lift). Its a slight boost in height along with a bit more tire clearance and less sag when loaded/towing.
Thanks for the clarification. I do not want the rake back. My front sits about 1-1.25" lower then the rear. I was hoping to add a 2" spacer upfront and then hoping the longer shocks would add about 1". I was not aware that the longer shocks would lift that much.
Most spacer lifts (like the RC ) lift the front higher than the rear to eliminate the rake. Sounds like your best bet is to just get a spacer lift and leave the shocks alone.
madrock
05-14-2012, 09:16 AM
Most spacer lifts (like the RC ) lift the front higher than the rear to eliminate the rake. Sounds like your best bet is to just get a spacer lift and leave the shocks alone.
I jumped the gun a couple weeks ago and purchased the F-150 shocks. If I can't return them, I will be listing them for sale at a discounted price. They are still in the original boxes. Do you still have your OEM length ones for sale?
cprokopf
05-14-2012, 01:58 PM
Any clue what model I would need? My WK has a 2" lift at the moment. What would the expected increase in rear height be? This is a great thread. Keep up the good work!
Also, I think I need new struts on the front. Never replaced these on any vehicle. How difficult?
Any clue what model I would need? My WK has a 2" lift at the moment. What would the expected increase in rear height be? This is a great thread. Keep up the good work!
Also, I think I need new struts on the front. Never replaced these on any vehicle. How difficult?
Its all pretty much spelled out in the first post and post 125. With 2" lift you should expect ~1/2" more from OEM version and 1.25" more from longer versions.
New strut install is not hard, but requires disassembling the strut using spring compressors. Guys who aren't comfortable doing that usually have a shop do it.
cprokopf
05-14-2012, 07:53 PM
Thats what I thought. I read the post but I wanted to make sure it would be the same for my WK. Any other insight or tips before I add the rear load levelers? I'm really just doing to add the inches. Good idea?
It'll vary a little bit depending on which springs your WK came with stock and how worn they are.... but lift height should be in the ballpark of what i posted. As far as tips, check out post 125 when i installed the extended load levellers; you'll see where to put the washers. Also, i recommend gluing the rubber sleeve in place as well (also shown during the install)
cprokopf
05-16-2012, 08:25 AM
I jumped the gun a couple weeks ago and purchased the F-150 shocks. If I can't return them, I will be listing them for sale at a discounted price. They are still in the original boxes. Do you still have your OEM length ones for sale?
I'm interested in the load levelers you ordered. You selling them?
cprokopf
05-16-2012, 07:15 PM
Will I need to be concerned with my rear sway bar if I add the extra 1" lift to the rear?
Nope. A good upgrade to keep in mind though is an adjustable rear trackbar. (I haven't installed one yet)
Sal-XK
05-16-2012, 08:17 PM
Like Matt said you don't have to but I think if your sway bar bushings are worn this won't help.
NeilSmith
05-20-2012, 01:09 PM
Here are some pics. The first pic is from last August with the oem shocks and springs ( I have a 2" lift ). The second pic is from today with the load-levelers installed. The loadout is exactly the same with the addition of a 101 lb dog.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2011/08/120-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/05/downsized_0520121104-1.jpg
bncrshr77
05-20-2012, 07:38 PM
Thanks for the comparison pics! Exactly what I was looking for... I will be going with the shorter monroes like previously suggested by other members!
cprokopf
05-31-2012, 05:41 AM
Has anyone found a good replacement for the front of a WK with a 2" lift? I htink I need to replace the fron suspension but I'm not sure which products to use. I plan on ordering these F150 load levelers later this week.
A lot of guys run the bilstiens up front.
07JeepXK
05-31-2012, 06:59 AM
A lot of guys run the bilstiens up front.
I had the Bilstiens HD Struts prior to the Old Man Emu stuts and they were garbage. Thats just my opinion but I would never install them on the XK again. They both blew out in less than a year.
Good to know.
I know you can run the OME struts with stock springs... so they'd be a good upgrade over stock. Monroe also has a strut replacement but I believe they're a basic twin tube design (more comparable to oem)
cprokopf
06-01-2012, 05:54 AM
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I've made several posts on this thread and I appreciate all the answers. I want to ask a few questions together to make sure my mods are worth the time and investment.
1) I will not be hauling anything with my WK. I was planning on installing the F-150 load levelers for the additional 1" lift. Good idea?
2) I believe my front struts are shot. It sounds like the best replacement would be the OME (for 2" lift) fron strut replacements. I found them on jeepinbyal.com for about $137. I have never installed struts and it sounds like a pain if you're not experienced. What is a rough cost to have a shop install these?
07JeepXK
06-01-2012, 06:53 AM
Good to know.
I know you can run the OME struts with stock springs... so they'd be a good upgrade over stock. Monroe also has a strut replacement but I believe they're a basic twin tube design (more comparable to oem)
Jay had the Monroe replacement struts on his 4 inch BDS lifted Grand Cherokee with the gear swap and has to change those stuts out every 6-8 months under warranty. I think Old Man Emu struts are the way to go.
1) I will not be hauling anything with my WK. I was planning on installing the F-150 load levelers for the additional 1" lift. Good idea?
Yes, good idea. Best bang for the buck option
2) I believe my front struts are shot. It sounds like the best replacement would be the OME (for 2" lift) fron strut replacements. I found them on jeepinbyal.com for about $137. I have never installed struts and it sounds like a pain if you're not experienced. What is a rough cost to have a shop install these?
OME are definitely the best replacement. Note that the OME struts are the same size as OEM struts and don't provide any lift. If you install these struts with stock springs you will still need your spacers for lift.
Check with Steel Armadillo (PM Knappster) for a price. He's an OME distributor as well, and a sponsor here; at worst he'll price match for you.
Price for install will vary quite a bit. Best bet is to call a few local places... probably 1.5-2hrs labor + alignment.
cprokopf
06-01-2012, 03:26 PM
Thanks for the help. So let me recap.
The OME front shocks for the 2" spacer lift will be my best front replacement option but I will gain no extra lift.
The F-150 load levelers are the best replacement for the rear and I will gain 1" on top of my existing 2" spacer lift.
Anything else to consider before I start ordering parts?
That's pretty much it... except read from post #125 from this thread so you see a few tricks for installing the load levelers (washers and gluing the sleeves in place)
IamJEEP
06-02-2012, 07:41 PM
Matt, did you ever end up selling your oem load levelers?
Matt, did you ever end up selling your oem load levelers?
Yup. They should be on dans XK now...where the hell is Dan??
IamJEEP
06-02-2012, 07:49 PM
Cool, I figured. I'm in need of suspension tlc, the Jeep is feeling like a caddy. LOL.....
Stock struts up front still too?
IamJEEP
06-02-2012, 07:54 PM
Stock struts up front still too?
Yep...all around. I have about 70,000 miles or so on it.
6 years old with 70k miles... lol yeah i bet thats a nice ocean-like ride :p
IamJEEP
06-02-2012, 08:39 PM
6 years old with 70k miles... lol yeah i bet thats a nice ocean-like ride :p
Yeah, it's been around the block a couple of times. LOL...
criket
06-03-2012, 04:01 AM
DOn't know if this will help but here is my set-up
Front - OME struts and OME HD springs (~3" lift in front)
Rear - 2" spacer lift with stock springs, F150 Load Levelers (~3" lift in rear)
Here is a pic to show what it looks like.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/100_0973-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/03/100_0972-1.jpg
CmmdrDan
06-03-2012, 08:36 AM
Hola senõrs
NeilSmith
06-03-2012, 11:16 AM
heres a pic from today. again, fully loaded ( instead of roof rack w/ gear the stuff is inside, some small stuff in pop-up ) and pulling pop-up. the tongue weight isnt much but it is something. the cooler is now inside Jeep also as I cant use receiver rack.
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/06/downsized_0603121116-1.jpg
Pixelcodex
06-06-2012, 04:17 PM
As a way of introducing myself, let me start by saying I have an 07 WK CRD. I love this forum so far, though I have not read a lot of it yet. Have a "wrenching tendency" on cars and motorcycles, but I am no expert mechanic. I do like it here that things are explained more to the Layman's level.
Ok, so I had researched suspension upgrades/lift before joining this forum, and had made up my mind to go with Old Man Emu HD (spelling it out due to similarity with OEM).
After reading this thread I think I would benefit from MLL. Besides the lift, I like the idea of a stiffer back since I will carry a motorcycle on the hitch. What I am not sure about is wether it will be good to mix it up, I.e. OME shocks and springs front and OME springs with MLL back. Also, if I should get the F150 or wk ones. I would like further lift, but would not like excessive rake an want to fit in my garage. Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks,
Fernando
Sal-XK
06-06-2012, 04:53 PM
Mixing the OME with the mll is fine. With the F150 ones your looking at about 1.5" of lift I think it was and a little less with the stock replacement. Both setups work well with loads.
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Pixelcodex
06-06-2012, 06:00 PM
I know the XK is a bit heavier. Is it the same with the WK? I.e. are shocks the se length?
Sal-XK
06-06-2012, 06:31 PM
It's all the same on both the XK and WK the F150 were just longer to compensate for having a lift on are jeeps.
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Yeah i'm running the OME HD and F150 load leveler combo. If you're going to run this combo, primarily on a CRD WK, make sure you also install a set of 1/4" strut spacers up front or you'll end up with a lot of rake. If you're not planning on going offroad at all, a set of load leveling air bags may be a better option if you dont want to run the extra spacer up front.
Pixelcodex
06-07-2012, 12:30 PM
I was concerned mainly because of the difference in weight between the XK and the WK. I know that OME springs are the same, but thought maybe the XK weight would make them sag more. I will have to look into those spacers: is 1/4" enough to make it level or keep the stock rake? Thanks
cprokopf
06-07-2012, 01:40 PM
My WK has the 2" lift with about 107,000 miles. The front and rear shocks are stock. It appears the rear is sagging. I am planning on installing the F-150 load levelers this weekend (or next Tuesday). I'll take some before and after pics for the forum.
I was concerned mainly because of the difference in weight between the XK and the WK. I know that OME springs are the same, but thought maybe the XK weight would make them sag more. I will have to look into those spacers: is 1/4" enough to make it level or keep the stock rake? Thanks
You'll probably have a little less than stock rake with the 1/4" spacer. It certainly won't be level.
cprokopf
06-08-2012, 02:43 PM
Looks like ordered two sets on accident. Anyone interested in buying a set at a discount? Still in the box and unopened. If not, I'll just return them.
Sal-XK
06-08-2012, 06:38 PM
Looks like ordered two sets on accident. Anyone interested in buying a set at a discount? Still in the box and unopened. If not, I'll just return them.
A few people have done this not realizing that price is for the pair.
Pixelcodex
06-08-2012, 09:58 PM
Cpro, sent you a PM.
cprokopf
06-11-2012, 06:15 AM
This is one of the best adds yet! Especially for the cost and ease of installation. My Jeep handles like it should, again. I've noticed it's much more responsive and the transmission seems to be finding the gears a little quicker. This is a must for anyone with a 2" lift and stock rear shocks. I'm looking forward to replacing the fronts within the next couple weeks.
cprokopf
06-28-2012, 10:57 AM
I'm hearing alot of squeaking from the rear of my Jeep since I added the F-150 load levelers. Any ideas or thoughts to minimize this noise or am I just stuck with it?
Also, where are th ebest places and pricing to purchase the OME extended fron struts for the 2" lift?
Not sure if these things are going to hold up to long term offroad abuse.... I tore mine up pretty good last trip to rausch
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/07/20120706145917-1.jpg
https://theultimatejeep.com/images/imported/2012/07/20120706145951-1.jpg
Sal-XK
07-07-2012, 10:44 AM
Ya they look like mine now.
Pixelcodex
07-08-2012, 08:30 AM
Ok, this is for you running the F 150 shocks. Although I did not buy anything (other financial priorities now) I was set on getting OME HD springs all around, OME shocks front and MLL F 150 shocks in the back. I do not wheel per se (not saying that I never will since it looks like fun, just not going to pose as something I am not), but I wanted to make my WK more capable offroad for more of an overlanding/off the beaten path travel role. I also have a motorcycle carrier for the hitch, so I thought the F 150 shocks would work well for any sag from the bike's weight. Now, if they are not going to last, am I be better off getting OME shocks for the back and something like an Air Lift (http://shop.airliftcompany.com/product/494289/60811/_/AIR_LIFT_1000%3B_COIL_SPRING_LEVELING_KIT) suspension for the extra weight when carrying the bike?
DetroitMarauder
07-08-2012, 09:01 AM
The MLL are great shocks, especially if you're not going to wheel it. You'll be more than happy with them towing a trailer. Matt and Sal beat theirs up on trails and the shacks are still holding strong just not very pretty anymore.
Sal-XK
07-08-2012, 12:34 PM
From what I can tell this is happening at full articulation. So unless your stuffing your tires a lot like we do I thin you'll be ok. Also the on road performance we get with an especially with loads is pretty good. I run without a rear sway bar all the time and don't miss it even with a heavy loaf.
cprokopf
07-08-2012, 05:56 PM
My MLL are rubbing and squeaking during daily driving. I checked today and both springs are rubbing on the black boot. Doesn't seem like they are mounted straight. Any ideas?
Sal-XK
07-08-2012, 06:05 PM
My MLL are rubbing and squeaking during daily driving. I checked today and both springs are rubbing on the black boot. Doesn't seem like they are mounted straight. Any ideas?
Make sure that top cap the spring seats in is seated properly. If pressure from the spring is released that cap comes loose and the spring might not land in it were it belongs. I might have pics of but not sure.
Pixelcodex
07-08-2012, 06:31 PM
From what I can tell this is happening at full articulation. So unless your stuffing your tires a lot like we do I thin you'll be ok. Also the on road performance we get with an especially with loads is pretty good. I run without a rear sway bar all the time and don't miss it even with a heavy loaf.
I will not by any stretch of the imagination. I just wanted to make sure I do not get something that will need to constantly get adjusted/fixed and might not perform as expected. If it is going to squeak and rub, it might not be for me. But then again, it might either be a problem particular to the WK or an installation issue. Thanks
Sal-XK
07-08-2012, 07:01 PM
I will not by any stretch of the imagination. I just wanted to make sure I do not get something that will need to constantly get adjusted/fixed and might not perform as expected. If it is going to squeak and rub, it might not be for me. But then again, it might either be a problem particular to the WK or an installation issue. Thanks
I would say don't get the longer ones the stock replacements should be fine for you. I live with the small issues to get the bennifits and at $90 for the pair makes me feel better about as well.
Pixelcodex
07-08-2012, 07:24 PM
I would say don't get the longer ones the stock replacements should be fine for you. I live with the small issues to get the bennifits and at $90 for the pair makes me feel better about as well.
Well, I wanted the extra lift and to get rid of the rake, so I was planning on getting the F 150 ones and spacers from the front as someone (I think Matt) recommended previously. The small issues are the squeaks and rub? Do you think that is WK related or somehow an installation issue? I remember reading about using tape to hold some part of the shock would get rid of the squeak (correct me if I am wrong).
Yeah Sal and I are a bit extreme with what we put these shocks through. I'll probably throw grease on to quiet them down and be good. :)
Sal-XK
07-08-2012, 08:29 PM
Well, I wanted the extra lift and to get rid of the rake, so I was planning on getting the F 150 ones and spacers from the front as someone (I think Matt) recommended previously. The small issues are the squeaks and rub? Do you think that is WK related or somehow an installation issue? I remember reading about using tape to hold some part of the shock would get rid of the squeak (correct me if I am wrong).
Well were both getting the squeaks on our XK so not sure what the issues are with the wk. the stock ones still raised an XK which is heavier out back then wk so you should get more lift then Matt got with his stock length ones installed. The tape part is probably tapping the rubber sleeve in place but I don't think that will last to long.
Yeah Sal and I are a bit extreme with what we put these shocks through. I'll probably throw grease on to quiet them down and be good. :)
That's eexactly what I do to mine but it only happens to my passenger side. I throw a good glob of marine bearing grease on it and it lasts about 6 months.
Pixelcodex
07-09-2012, 04:44 AM
Well were both getting the squeaks on our XK so not sure what the issues are with the wk. the stock ones still raised an XK which is heavier out back then wk so you should get more lift then Matt got with his stock length ones installed. The tape part is probably tapping the rubber sleeve in place but I don't think that will last to long.
Sweeet! Look forward to when I am finally able to do this.
That's eexactly what I do to mine but it only happens to my passenger side. I throw a good glob of marine bearing grease on it and it lasts about 6 months.
6 months is not bad then. I just don't want to have to spend every other weekend fussing with it. My free time is bad enough as we speak... :D
The tape he's referring to is when I put gorilla glue under the rubber sleeve and then wrapped it with electrical tape to capture the expanding glue.
Pixelcodex
07-09-2012, 06:19 AM
The tape he's referring to is when I put gorilla glue under the rubber sleeve and then wrapped it with electrical tape to capture the expanding glue.
Yeah, that's it! Was that so the sleeve would not move = no squeak?
Yup. My issue now is that [from offroading] my sleeve got cut up. So that's why they're squeaking.
jcoulter
08-17-2012, 07:52 PM
Thanks for this thread! One of my Bilsteins broke and they only warranty them for 90 days so I was in the market for new ones. Since my XK is now DD and tow rig these fit the bill nicely.
I bought the longer ones and gained about an inch over the Bilsteins. It sits higher than I like just driving around but it will work out nicely for towing.
Sal-XK
08-18-2012, 04:21 AM
These work great and really shine when you add weigh to them I think you'll be happy with your choice.
Yeah you definitely can't go wrong.... especially since you probably got the set for what one of those bilsteins cost
xk2006
08-18-2012, 09:39 AM
I just ripped those sleeves right out of mine. I bought the regular, made for the XK, monroe load levelers about two years and I am still very happy with them. I never got the squeak you guys are talking about. I also have a two inch lift in the back and floor to wheel well measurement is exactly 36" at mid hub.
Core XK
08-18-2012, 03:23 PM
How are they now from the last RC trip? :P
I didn't realize how much "spring" is on them so maybe it will look better if we paint the spring part white opposed to the shock ;p
They definitely needed some grease after that last trip!
jcoulter
08-23-2012, 05:27 PM
Had a chance to put them to use today. Very impressed. The Commander was towing at least 7500#, I exceeded capacity by at least 1300#.
Not the smartest thing in the world but I took it very easy, slow starts, slow speeds, etc.
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Core XK
08-23-2012, 05:58 PM
Had a chance to put them to use today. Very impressed. The Commander was towing at least 7500#, I exceeded capacity by at least 1300#.
Not the smartest thing in the world but I took it very easy, slow starts, slow speeds, etc.
1529
Nice!!
xk2006
08-24-2012, 06:30 AM
very nice. looks like the rear end barely dropped. i bet if u had a hitch drop, the tongue would have been more level and the rear may not have dropped at all.
Sal-XK
08-24-2012, 06:42 AM
I put 400lbs on my hitch and about another 400 in the cargo are behind the axle and it dropped just enough to level my jeep out this things are great with weight.
jcoulter
08-24-2012, 07:10 PM
It did drop some. With the longer shocks the back sits higher than the front. I live with it because of the benefits when towing.
I'll be heading to the Badlands in Attica, IN in a couple weeks. We'll see what it looks like towing the Cherokee.
paroxysym
10-10-2012, 06:54 AM
my MLL 58646 are on order as we speak, as i recently snapped a bilstein in the rear. i was wondering if the OEM length will work with OME springs or another replacement coil that is 2" or more? as you know i DD my rig. also, do you foresee the sleeve issue occuring on the stock length MLLs?
As you know, I ran the stock length load levellers on mine with both the RC lift and the OME HD. Its actually a better setup for a daily driver.
The sleeve issue is across the board. Glue it in place like I did and you'll be fine.
paroxysym
10-10-2012, 09:04 AM
my MLL 58646 are on order as we speak, as i recently snapped a bilstein in the rear. i was wondering if the OEM length will work with OME springs or another replacement coil that is 2" or more? as you know i DD my rig. also, do you foresee the sleeve issue occuring on the stock length MLLs?
appreciate it sir
scottso699
01-25-2013, 12:58 PM
I know this is an old thread but I had a question about gluing the sleeve on these shocks - how do you get to the sleeve? Do the springs on these shocks come off easily to allow you to gain access the rubber sleeves? Just wondering as I am considering these (the F150 versions) to level out my WK.
Yes you can just slide the spring off. Im right down the street if you want to check them out one day
scottso699
01-25-2013, 01:27 PM
Yes you can just slide the spring off. Im right down the street if you want to check them out one day
I might take you up on that offer soon but if not I will see them at RC in February.
I actually took the springs off because I want to size up my jeep for a set of upgraded shocks. I'm going to make myself another 1/2" rear spacer to get the height I want back and hopefully get a set of Fox resi shocks (dreaming... depends on how much my SA rear bumper ends up costing, how our tax return looks and if we start getting offers on our house); otherwise I'll get a set of RSX9000 shocks.
Regardless I can literally take a shock off and re-install the spring in 5 minutes.
scottso699
01-25-2013, 07:14 PM
I actually took the springs off because I want to size up my jeep for a set of upgraded shocks. I'm going to make myself another 1/2" rear spacer to get the height I want back and hopefully get a set of Fox resi shocks (dreaming... depends on how much my SA rear bumper ends up costing, how our tax return looks and if we start getting offers on our house); otherwise I'll get a set of RSX9000 shocks.
Regardless I can literally take a shock off and re-install the spring in 5 minutes.
I have a 1.5 inch spacer if that interests you? you currently are just using a half inch spacer right? if you want take the 1.5 inch spacer (red sausage spacer) and give me the half inch one.
where are you looking to move to?
The 1.5" will be too much. My fenders are basically even right now, i just want to get the rear up a smidge higher for when the bumper goes on and 1/2" will be perfect.
Staying in the immediate area... just wanted to see if I could move up to a 4 bedroom while interest rates are low. I actually don't think my house will sell just because the market isn't that great yet.... but the realtor (a friends wife) did a market analysis and its not far from what i need, and she said I have a prime location plus its one of the nicest houses in the area that she's seen (i've done a lot of work).
pjmjr508
01-26-2013, 04:58 PM
Matt,
So are you going to be changing out that 1/2" spacer you made & replacing with a 1"?
I'm about to install my OME in a week or so & was going to copy how you set it up.
Also I looked at your garage & the lift install had a link to the back & that link is coming back as bad.
I actually planned on having two 1/2" spacers from the start.... one on the bottom and one on the top. I just never got around to making my top spacers...
Thanks for the heads up on the link; found it and fixed it.
scottso699
01-26-2013, 08:14 PM
Matt - what did you make the spacers out of? I may want to make one too.
I made them out of impact rated UHMW polyethylene.
scottso699
01-26-2013, 09:09 PM
Oh... how does one do that? (or... what is that stuff?)
lol. I usually order raw material through mcmaster.
Want to make sure you get something that'll survive outdoors + suspension loading. Can't just use any "plastic" because it you want good compression strength as well as chemical resistance from crap that'll get on it (particularly in winter).
pjmjr508
01-30-2013, 12:59 AM
K are you planning on making more? If so can I get another set to follow suit?
Hey PJ im sure I can take care of ya. Looks like theres 4-5 guys looking for a set now.
pjmjr508
01-30-2013, 02:08 PM
Ty. pm me details. i can pay for it on friday. payday
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