Here is another example of censorship, he deleted his post. Are you going to delete this too?
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Actually, Im at work and was editing the post right after i wrote what I did and got the blue screen of death on my government computer as I was doing it. When I was able to get the computer up and running again my post was no where to be found. I dont write posts...post them and then delete my comments afterwords. That would make no sense. I have nothing to hide. And further more, why why I delete your recent post?
Its funny because im actually getting a lot of work done. lol Just good at multi-tasking. Im not on often while at work but appear to be the only on in the office today?!?!
Why do I picture you pouting here? ;)
Seriously, I don't think anyone is really "offended" here. In terms of your comments, the point was that at least some of us are concerned about the fact that your reaction, as a Super Moderator, was to belittle the forum members who think this is a valid forum issue.
Whether you agree or not, the simple fact is that some folks -- myself included -- were concerned about the long-term impact of having someone consistently posting across the site under two names. It is a fact that this was confusing many people. It is also a fact that it happens to be in violation of forum rules unless there is one standard for Jon and one for the rest of us. The issue was thus raised because it could adversely affect the long-term health of what has been a growing and vibrant forum (if you don't understand why this is so, I tried to get something similar across in the Conflict of Interest thread).
However, nobody is screaming about the issue that I can see. No one is "whining." No one is kicking sand or threatening to burn the whole place down if they don't get their stapler back. It certainly isn't anything personal. I've yet to see anyone, anywhere on this site, go into "flame war" mode. People (particularly prospective supporting vendors) just want clarity. Getting an answer, in other words, might be more important than what the answer actually is.
I for one am trying to help. I am trying to ensure that this wonderful forum continues to bloom. I think that's what you want, too. That means we're on the same side. Telling me I'm childish and overreacting or that I need to put my head back in the sand, therefore, can only serve to harm what we both want to preserve. How about instead we come together for a communal, constructive solution that is to the betterment of all -- just as Jon has helped to make happen through his laudable and highly constructive decision to take the bull by the horns and make this a public and transparent discussion?
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As Matt suggests, I think the only thing left is to get the final decision of Jon/Knappster/SA/Owner/Admin/Forum Father in light of our collective thoughts. It's his choice in the end, though he has kindly considered our input.
Everyone will then know how he wants to proceed, and forum members (or potential members) can decide how they want to proceed.
So what say you, Jon?
I like the way bigredmariner formatted his ID.
His moniker
supporting vendor
and ad at the bottom.
Would be an easy way to identify both. When you are talking to other vendors, that would be a good time for disclosure.
That's kind of why I liked the thought of making Knappster the username for the SA Rep.... like El Cid was the username of 4xg's Rep. It retains his "one of the guys" persona as opposed to posting with the SA username.... when the username is the name of a company it seems (to me) to lose that "I'm one of you guys" personality....
Then he'd just need to make an administrator name to answer/respond to "site" issues. I think the benefit here would also help him keep track of "who" he's logged in under. Lol there have been many occasions already where both knappster and SA seemed to be talking to each other in the same thread..... Jon you feeling OK??? lmao!
The decision I have made is that I will post under Knappster with a comment line in my signature that I am the owner of The Steel Armadillo. I will set up an Administrator Account which will be used when the topic being addressed is the operations of the forum and has nothing specifically to do with the Jeep Commander or The Steel Armadillo. Any questions or concerns, feel free to send me a PM.
I think the claim that it is a double standard is a little harsh. That statement ignores his articulated intent as to why he did this. However, he is one of the guys and will always be one of the guys, just like you are and have been for years. You posted on the other forum a lot of news and opinions about 4XGuard without being a sponsor and I think you walked over that line a few times. When 4XGuard became a supporting vendor here, perhaps you should have asked that your userid be retired in lieu of 4XGuard userid so that when you posted as one of the guys, we could all weigh and suspect your motivations everytime you posted.
But as you make the claim, I suspect you will be successful in getting your preference about him, that it be one userid because he's not going to want to think of himself as practicing double standards. So congratulations on playing the card that will get your way in this.
I feel that Jon has explained himself very well and has been very upfront about who he is regardless of which userid he uses. And I don't care that he uses two userids. But if he decides to go to one userid, he should feel free to keep whichever userid he wishes, either Knappster or SteelArmadillo.
Edit to Add: The poll option that I would pick is not available: Jon should do whichever he is most comfortable with.
If you are a moderator and delete a controversial statement to hide something you said, I feel it censorship.
He did come back and explain what had happened to his post...and the subject was dropped.
Jon began this discussion on another thread because of what may appear to be a conflict of interest.
This thread was to get feed back on identity. The intent here (this thread) was to discuss the who, not the why
...and I appologize for the statements that I made earlier in the thread. They were a bit harsh.
...careful.... Sal might fill this thread full of "huggy smilies" if you keep talking like that https://theultimatejeep.com/notfound.png
I'm going to let your attacks go, GPintheMitten.
If you cannot see that this discussion was in the best interests of the forum ... if you insist on ignoring my repeated statements that I was never trying to force a decision one way or another but simply wanted clarity about the facts as they stand ... if you insist on making this something personal ...
Well, I'm afraid we're simply talking on completely different CB channels.
Jon, I once again applaud you for maintaining the openness of the forum. I think it will serve us all well as both the Ultimate Jeep Forum and Steel Armadillo grow and expand.
This comes under the whatever category:
Yah, well, you "feel" that is could have been censorship. OK, feel it. But I can delete my post and you can delete your post and I wouldn't call it censorship. I think perhaps you are a bit oversensitive to censorship.
And for that matter if you only raised this for discussing the who, not why, why do even bring up your concern that 07 appeared to have deleted one of his posts.
I understand now, that the issue may be mute, but come on, everyone is not out to get everyone.
I'm not personally against you, but against what you said. I did not like you saying that Jon was practicing a double standard. Without knowing his motivation and not having his explanation, I could understand your claim. But I think the whole connotation about a double standard is a negative one that does not represent Jon fairly. That is why I said what I said to you. The only thing that was doubled in my mind is his count of userids. And as a new forum owner, I can understand him doing that.
I applaud Jon for his openness as well. He has made his decision and I did not read the whole thread when I responded but even if I had, I don't like your statement. Nothing personal, just defending my friend from what I perceived as a negative attack, despite all the other nice stuff you said.
Maybe others didn't like the phrase "double standard" either, I don't know. But obviously, I didn't.
Nope, not personal just strongly felt base on what you yourself said. But if you feel it is personal.....well, you just don't understand my position.
But best wishes for everything in the future.
I started the part of the discussion that brought about thedouble standards comments...i believe...and that is because of Jons question about his name, on the other post. I said something about a forum rule you cant have 2 log in names. If the rule exists, and Jon has 2 log in names, I believe as well it is a double standard. Gerry this was not brought about the bitch about Jon and the forum, i would do that elsewhere.No part of this was an attackkn anyanyone.
Hi Don,
Can we be friends? ...or will my request be denied;)
Peace, bro.
Gerry