Super Sliders

[Sal-XK]

I can include extras, We installed Nathans using a battery powered drill with a socket to install the nut certs and they all went in perfectly. I imagine that it depends on the installation tools, experience and angle but my goal is to make the customer happy so keep the suggestions coming.

I installed mine with an impact but that's highly not recommended to do. The nutsert tool I used was awesome I just found it odd that AJ spun one then I spun the other one in the same spot. Obviously this is an installation issue and not design issue. Extra care just needs to be had on that section for the WK I guess. The XK was fine no issues but all are stuff is flat and square everywhere to.

[LWM]

I installed mine with an impact but that's highly not recommended to do. The tool I used was awesome I just found it odd that AJ spun one then I spun the other one in the same spot. Obviously this is an installation issue and not design issue. Extra care just needs to be had on that section for the WK I guess. The XK was fine no issues but all are stuff is flat and square everywhere to.

Okay, I will include extras just in case.

[El Cid]

For what it is worth, these kinds of experiences were also common when 4xG used nutserts for the Side Guards. Added to the other problems with nutserts, 4xG chose to drop the use of them entirely, which I think was a good decision all around.

[Matt]

I hit/drug my slider pretty good at RC in January... they held up pretty good but the aluminum rivets didn't. All of them on the drive side tweaked in some fashion, the worst being right above where the impact was.

It all went back relatively where it should have... but i need to replace all of the rivets. I'll probably go up a size or two; the ones supplied just weren't enough to take a good hit.








Here's an image from the install when everything was flush

[EvilJager]

Matt that sucks about the rivets didnt hold up. I have the version with the screws and seems to hold up alot better. And i have slammed down full force on them a few times

[Matt]

Yeah i've been debating.. i think i may step up the rivet size, and if that doesn't work then go with the nutserts. That'll basically be a drill size up each step.

[El Cid]

Nice hit, Matt!

This was indeed one of the concerns we had with the rivets (though when you do the same thing with nutserts the body damage can be worse). The best solution we ever found at 4xG was the use of some particular specialized metal screws. Incredibly easy to install (and uninstall), weatherproof, tight and strong as can be ...

The problem is that there is only one supplier. When that fell through for a bit, 4xG had to go to the rivets as a second-best option. (There can be other problems with the nutserts that made us feel the rivets were overall superior.) I've suggested to JBA that they go back to those incredible screws, but I don't know if they will or not. The screws are a lot more expensive up-front (the place has a monopoly and you have to buy them in bulk), but if a company was in it for the long haul they would be worth the investment, in my opinion. Can be used for all sorts of products.

[Sal-XK]

I hit/drug my 4xG slider pretty good at RC in January... they held up pretty good but the aluminum rivets didn't. All of them on the drive side tweaked in some fashion, the worst being right above where the impact was.

It all went back relatively where it should have... but i need to replace all of the rivets. I'll probably go up a size or two; the ones supplied just weren't enough to take a good hit.

I didn't know the 4XG ones used rivets or screws I'd take nutserts myself. Other then occasionally spinning on during installation I've seen them take a lot of abuse.



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[Sal-XK]

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[Matt]

What are those screws called and who makes them?

I want something that grips with a bit more surface area. What can't be seen in the pics is that the rivets also deformed the sheet metal, so that area is now compromised. I want to drill out the damaged area and correct this issue but distributing the load over more area (less chance of pull through).

Something that just screws in to a thru-hole will only distribute the load through the material that comprises the difference in the major & minor thread diameters - which isn't a lot of area unless it's a large screw. I think the limiting factor here is the XK body which needs more support.

They're still on there solid, so i don't plan on tackling this until later this spring on the summer; so that gives me time to think about it.