Who Should Jon Be

[El Cid]

I should also add that if the forum rules say only one name than that seems to me to settle it -- unless the forum wants to have one set of rules for Steel Armadillo and one set for everyone else. I think that's a double standard, which is exactly what probably should be avoided unless this is going to become the Steel Armadillo forum (a possible option, though one with a lot of ramifications that don't strike me as appealing).

[Matt]

I don't think its a double standard if the forum owner retains an "administration name".... as long as its only used to respond to administrative issues.

For example if someone starts a thread in the site issues/comments forum requesting a change, it wouldn't make sense for SA to respond. Or if Jon wants to change something on the forum and wants our input so he starts a poll, the thread should be started by a forum administrator username, not a vendor.

Other vendors don't perform administrative duties, so its a special case.

[hoaxci5]

I don't think its a double standard if the forum owner retains an "administration name".... as long as its only used to respond to administrative issues.

For example if someone starts a thread in the site issues/comments forum requesting a change, it wouldn't make sense for SA to respond. Or if Jon wants to change something on the forum and wants our input so he starts a poll, the thread should be started by a forum administrator username, not a vendor.

Other vendors don't perform administrative duties, so its a special case.

In that case it should Admin or Administrator and not Knappster in my opinion.

[Matt]

I concur.... he has the power to change that.

Hell, he can even make his vendor name knappster.... like Mikes is El Cid for 4xg. That actually may be the best way for him to retain his "one of the guys" persona....

[El Cid]

Good points, all.

(It is a side note, Jon and mods, but at some point my membership needs to get changed from Supporting Vendor since I'm no longer 4xGuard in any official capacity; I totally didn't notice that until just now.)

[NeilSmith]

I simply find it amusing that nobody has voted for Jon to just be himself. HAHAHA !! Sorry, Jon. I voted for the first option myself.

[Matt]

The more I think about it, the more i think the best would be:

"Knappster" gets changed to "Admin" and sig says "Formerly Knappster".
"Steel Armadillo" gets changed to "Knappster" and sig says "ninja admin"


..... Ok, maybe we can do without the "ninja admin" part... but for those of us "in the know" it'd be kinda funny

[GPintheMitten]

I should also add that if the forum rules say only one name than that seems to me to settle it -- unless the forum wants to have one set of rules for Steel Armadillo and one set for everyone else. I think that's a double standard, which is exactly what probably should be avoided unless this is going to become the Steel Armadillo forum (a possible option, though one with a lot of ramifications that don't strike me as appealing).

I think the claim that it is a double standard is a little harsh. That statement ignores his articulated intent as to why he did this. However, he is one of the guys and will always be one of the guys, just like you are and have been for years. You posted on the other forum a lot of news and opinions about 4XGuard without being a sponsor and I think you walked over that line a few times. When 4XGuard became a supporting vendor here, perhaps you should have asked that your userid be retired in lieu of 4XGuard userid so that when you posted as one of the guys, we could all weigh and suspect your motivations everytime you posted.

But as you make the claim, I suspect you will be successful in getting your preference about him, that it be one userid because he's not going to want to think of himself as practicing double standards. So congratulations on playing the card that will get your way in this.

I feel that Jon has explained himself very well and has been very upfront about who he is regardless of which userid he uses. And I don't care that he uses two userids. But if he decides to go to one userid, he should feel free to keep whichever userid he wishes, either Knappster or SteelArmadillo.

Edit to Add: The poll option that I would pick is not available: Jon should do whichever he is most comfortable with.

[El Cid]

But as you make the claim, I suspect you will be successful in getting your preference about him, that it be one userid because he's not going to want to think of himself as practicing double standards. So congratulations on playing the card that will get your way in this.

I'm going to let your attacks go, GPintheMitten.

If you cannot see that this discussion was in the best interests of the forum ... if you insist on ignoring my repeated statements that I was never trying to force a decision one way or another but simply wanted clarity about the facts as they stand ... if you insist on making this something personal ...

Well, I'm afraid we're simply talking on completely different CB channels.

Jon, I once again applaud you for maintaining the openness of the forum. I think it will serve us all well as both the Ultimate Jeep Forum and Steel Armadillo grow and expand.

[GPintheMitten]

I'm not personally against you, but against what you said. I did not like you saying that Jon was practicing a double standard. Without knowing his motivation and not having his explanation, I could understand your claim. But I think the whole connotation about a double standard is a negative one that does not represent Jon fairly. That is why I said what I said to you. The only thing that was doubled in my mind is his count of userids. And as a new forum owner, I can understand him doing that.

I applaud Jon for his openness as well. He has made his decision and I did not read the whole thread when I responded but even if I had, I don't like your statement. Nothing personal, just defending my friend from what I perceived as a negative attack, despite all the other nice stuff you said.

Maybe others didn't like the phrase "double standard" either, I don't know. But obviously, I didn't.

Nope, not personal just strongly felt base on what you yourself said. But if you feel it is personal.....well, you just don't understand my position.

But best wishes for everything in the future.

I'm going to let your attacks go, GPintheMitten.

If you cannot see that this discussion was in the best interests of the forum ... if you insist on ignoring my repeated statements that I was never trying to force a decision one way or another but simply wanted clarity about the facts as they stand ... if you insist on making this something personal ...

Well, I'm afraid we're simply talking on completely different CB channels.

Jon, I once again applaud you for maintaining the openness of the forum. I think it will serve us all well as both the Ultimate Jeep Forum and Steel Armadillo grow and expand.