Who Should Jon Be

[Steel Armadillo]

I read the comments in the other thread and until the discussion comes to a conclusion I will use this ID for posting.

[Matt]

While I see Jon's point with keeping his knappster name as an "enthusiast", I think doing so has negative consequences on members who do not know he is the owner of SA.

To quote myself from the previous thread:

As far as the "two names" is concerned.... I think the two names are somewhat necessary. BUT, especially for the sake of new members, I think he should post primarily under the SA name. Its very confusing when he switches names mid-thread.

The knappster name should be used only in the "site comments/suggestions forum" where you would expect to receive feedback from an "administrator" OR in other forums when the topic pertains to site related issues. $.02


..... think of it this way, should vendors be allowed to have a non-vendor name to post under as well? I don't think so, otherwise they could post bias "reviews" for their products and the members would think its a "user" review which is a bit deceptive.

Edit: not saying that Jon would be deceptive on purpose. But as we've learned there are already members who didn't know he was the same person on both names. .... so up until now, his posts under the knappster name look like a forum regular promoting a business they like, not an owner promoting his own business.

EDIT:
To be clear, I voted for option 1 only because I think Jon should use Knappster ID for answering/resolving administrative/forum issues.

[Steel Armadillo]

While I see Jon's point with keeping his knappster name as an "enthusiast", I think doing so has negative consequences on members who do not know he is the owner of SA.

I added an AKA to BOTH signatures to help eliminate this concern as well. Thanks for pointing it out!

[El Cid]

As I've said elsewhere, the more I think it through the more one name makes sense (SA). And if it makes Jon's life easier than all the better. I can understand Jon wanting to still have the "one of the guys" part, but I'm afraid that ship sailed the moment he started his business.

[El Cid]

I should also add that if the forum rules say only one name than that seems to me to settle it -- unless the forum wants to have one set of rules for Steel Armadillo and one set for everyone else. I think that's a double standard, which is exactly what probably should be avoided unless this is going to become the Steel Armadillo forum (a possible option, though one with a lot of ramifications that don't strike me as appealing).

[Matt]

I don't think its a double standard if the forum owner retains an "administration name".... as long as its only used to respond to administrative issues.

For example if someone starts a thread in the site issues/comments forum requesting a change, it wouldn't make sense for SA to respond. Or if Jon wants to change something on the forum and wants our input so he starts a poll, the thread should be started by a forum administrator username, not a vendor.

Other vendors don't perform administrative duties, so its a special case.

[hoaxci5]

I don't think its a double standard if the forum owner retains an "administration name".... as long as its only used to respond to administrative issues.

For example if someone starts a thread in the site issues/comments forum requesting a change, it wouldn't make sense for SA to respond. Or if Jon wants to change something on the forum and wants our input so he starts a poll, the thread should be started by a forum administrator username, not a vendor.

Other vendors don't perform administrative duties, so its a special case.

In that case it should Admin or Administrator and not Knappster in my opinion.

[GPintheMitten]

I should also add that if the forum rules say only one name than that seems to me to settle it -- unless the forum wants to have one set of rules for Steel Armadillo and one set for everyone else. I think that's a double standard, which is exactly what probably should be avoided unless this is going to become the Steel Armadillo forum (a possible option, though one with a lot of ramifications that don't strike me as appealing).

I think the claim that it is a double standard is a little harsh. That statement ignores his articulated intent as to why he did this. However, he is one of the guys and will always be one of the guys, just like you are and have been for years. You posted on the other forum a lot of news and opinions about 4XGuard without being a sponsor and I think you walked over that line a few times. When 4XGuard became a supporting vendor here, perhaps you should have asked that your userid be retired in lieu of 4XGuard userid so that when you posted as one of the guys, we could all weigh and suspect your motivations everytime you posted.

But as you make the claim, I suspect you will be successful in getting your preference about him, that it be one userid because he's not going to want to think of himself as practicing double standards. So congratulations on playing the card that will get your way in this.

I feel that Jon has explained himself very well and has been very upfront about who he is regardless of which userid he uses. And I don't care that he uses two userids. But if he decides to go to one userid, he should feel free to keep whichever userid he wishes, either Knappster or SteelArmadillo.

Edit to Add: The poll option that I would pick is not available: Jon should do whichever he is most comfortable with.

[El Cid]

But as you make the claim, I suspect you will be successful in getting your preference about him, that it be one userid because he's not going to want to think of himself as practicing double standards. So congratulations on playing the card that will get your way in this.

I'm going to let your attacks go, GPintheMitten.

If you cannot see that this discussion was in the best interests of the forum ... if you insist on ignoring my repeated statements that I was never trying to force a decision one way or another but simply wanted clarity about the facts as they stand ... if you insist on making this something personal ...

Well, I'm afraid we're simply talking on completely different CB channels.

Jon, I once again applaud you for maintaining the openness of the forum. I think it will serve us all well as both the Ultimate Jeep Forum and Steel Armadillo grow and expand.

[HueyPilotVN]

It seems as though one main issue is the idenity that the reader perceives based on the screen name used. Maybe a solution for Jon is to choose which ever name he wants and to add a line in his signature that also clarifies his vendor status, moderator status, and enthusiast status as a Commander owner. I certainly am not confused by the two screen names but I caan see how a new member might be.