Still using the brackets, even with the straight UCA i can drop the rear axle to the end of a 32" shock with a little in reserve. I dont think anyone else with a short arm has got to that far yet. We looked at doing them with a bend, but we were a bit rushed in the end (which didnt end up even mattering cause they took ages to get made and missed the trip they were for...) and also so they could be used with a normal 2-3" lift and get some more made. Given how many kidneys these ended up costing ill give people the measurements and they can get a local shop to make them up. The mob that did these has been excellent in the past, but for some reason these gave them a curve ball.